there's a lot of sensitive people in this game

[Xhominid]

The conjurer questline was about healing the land and working with the elements. Slyphie was killing herself just healing without doing anything else.

And they tell you about the elements with attack spells. Read inbetween what you are talking about. Hell, the issue is twofold, it's not that Sylphie's problems, but the fact that healing is the ONLY thing that matters.

So the fundamental for a Healer in this game is they have to do all the Healing and at the same time, also do DPS jobs??? So to those who thinks this is a very basic of becoming a Healer, tell me this why not these have became standard to be a good Tank or a good DPS, fail to do so will result in being marked as bad,aka HORRIBLE:

Great Job on missing what people is saying...

No one is saying healers should do huge damage or any other nonsense like that(congrats on that huge level of assumptions), people are saying WHMs and SCHs should do damage WHEN IT IS APPROPRIATE!

Or are you gonna tell me that WHM's should stand around and do nothing while Ultima Weapon/Odin charges up their ultimate attack and the only way to stop it is to kill them before they kill you? Or when there's such a lul in times to heal, you can't pop off even a single Aero/Stone/Holy? I found plenty of times to do these even without putting on CS and I still helped out in the DPS department.

1/Do you expect the Tank to hold agro and at the same time, dealing over 400 DPS?
2/Do you expect DPSer to deal 400+ DPS whilst keeping themselves alive and heal themselves?

The first one is ridiculous, the second one if the boss is only capable of AOEs and the tank does their job, DPS should rarely need heals past room hitting spells.

I don't argue with you that Healer should have contribution in DPS, however, by thinking that is compulsory or they will be marked HORRIBLE, is just wrong and stupid.

Okay, so BLM's shouldn't NEED to get Quelling Strikes right? Or DPS don't need Invigorate or B4B or Mage classes don't need Swiftcast either? Or WAR getting Provoke? There's a difference between having them and not having them and to not use something to it's full advantage isn't horrible class usage, but it's pretty damn crappy.

[Chiramu]

And they tell you about the elements with attack spells. Read inbetween what you are talking about. Hell, the issue is twofold, it's not that Sylphie's problems, but the fact that healing is the ONLY thing that matters.

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You're reading inbetween too many lines.

[Wildsprite]

The conjurer questline was about healing the land and working with the elements. Slyphie was killing herself just healing without doing anything else.

no, she was killing herself because she was using her own life energy to heal others with really powerful spells, and not taking from the elements around her. it wasn't because she was just healing. pretty sure the end result would have been the same if she just used attacks.

[Staris]

even if they disabled cleric stance, holy would be worth it for the stuns and the damage.

bad healers are bad.

[LionKing]

So you said "WHEN IT IS APPROPRIATE", do you mean they do have a choice whether they should do it or they should not do it, right, at their own discretion? However, it does not seem like a case to me with most of people here. Someone said it is FUNDAMENTAL, BASICS, EXPECTATION for a Healer to do a DPS,or else they are HORRIBLE Healer. Those words don't really match with the "When it is appropriate", do they not?

You mentioned something about having tools and not use it to its fully potential ..., this opinion is also applied to every other job out there, not just Healer. How many times you see a Paladin casting Heals or Stoneskin on themselves to ease some stress on Healing when the Healer clearly having problem to keep them up? How many time you see BLM use Manaward/Manawall to minimize the Dams they takes to ease the stress of healing them or to purposely build up the LB by taking the Dams whilst Manawall is up? (See Nael for example ). How many times you see DPS not using their Secondwind to heal themselves a bit to prevent death while the Healer could not keep up with the Heals? (T13 healing example ) and I can list many many other example that could portrait someone has tools given to them but they won't make full use of such tools.

Yet every time, anyone die for XYZ reasons, Healer is ALWAYS the first to be blamed. While I don't disregard this pointing finger but this is just too unfairness. Is it not the whole point of Healer should DPS, so the run can go smoother and quicker,in turns make everyone's life easier? Then how about before demanding them or expecting them to make your life easier, why not do your best and make their life easier of healing you, by fully utilizing tools in your disposal?

[ChiiSoSeriouz]

So, you shouldn't be able to comment on the basic fundamental principles of the game you should know like the back of your hand long before you reach coil until you actually reach coil? Got it.

This game is not coil, and your comment reeks of elitism.

Elitism so what?

If anyone were to comment on what i should or should not be doing as a healer, then follow that with "horrible" and "bad" while your gear and experience is low on the matter, you will be called out on it. I'll dps if feel like it, it's by no means mandatory. An exceptional healer is responsible for the pt safety and does so at an outstanding level through adversity. High tier fights separate the average from the exceptional.

[Wildsprite]

please lets put this back on topic, this is not a "healer should DPS" or "healer shouldn't DPS" thread.
many minds on both sides of that argument aren't going to change. better to just drop it.

[Riviere]

[lxChrisxl]

wow this got big O.o. stupid daily limit. not quite finished reading yet, on page 9 but i'll comment on some things i've read, sorry if i don't cover your point.

there were a few saying that just saying "holy?" is a bit rude and i should have elaborated more. we were in the middle of a pull though and i'm not the fasted typer in the world. i'm alright as far as typing speeds go but if i stopped to write out a long sentence going over in detail everything i meant by "holy?" (which was honestly would have been could you use holy please? :](probably would have been seen as condescending because of the smiley lol.)) i would have ruined any point in writing at all since i would have been myself not attacking with anything but auto. nobody writes long full detailed sentences when you're in the middle of a pull. i'm sorry if you think that's rude but i think it'd be ruder to stop everything completely.

for the main way the thread went lol: should a healer dps? well i mean i already said i won't push a healer to dps and i mean it but i'll never give them a com(yes i'm a weirdo that thinks coms should matter a bit :b). for those saying "a healer is a healer not a damage dealer" well that kind of doesn't fit in this game honestly. you have more damage skills than i do support but i'm expected to play songs. you can try to say "but bard is a support class" started as an archer and got tricked into a very half assed support class lol. either way it's what's included in the class and playing those songs correctly and playing them when they need to be played gets me quite a few coms. holy, aero and the other damage dealing skills are included in white mages and whatever skills a scholar has(to be honest i usually get bummed when i see a scholar, great dps for a healing class but no holy for crowds :,[ ). i could totally play the "i only have 4 songs, 3 that does anything useful so i'm actually a dps class not a support class" and by the logic some people are using i'd be justified. meh different strokes and play as you're most comfortable but i believe in fully pushing yourself and not playing just for yourself. you've got at least three other people with you in a run so why waste their time if you don't have to?

and lastly for this comment: doesn't posting this make you just as sensitive as the people you're talking about? hmmmm i'd say you do have a point i guess lol. at some level everybody including animals are overly sensitive but it's how you go about living with it that makes a difference. also it's human nature to share annoying, bad or dumbfounded moments/experiences with others.

p.s you can say fuck on this forum? O.o. damn daily limited and character limits >:[

[Parodine]

Oh joy, another thread that has devolved into a healer-DPSing controversy. Lawd help me.

I main WHM, and I run dungeons with it and DPS mostly because it annoys me to see other healers standing around with so much downtime. But I don't go off on them because as long as I'm alive, they've fulfilled their basic, primary function. As boring as that must be, it's fulfilled, anyway.