Lizard Squad Just hacked PSN and Xbox LIve again

[MilesSaintboroguh]

That's very much illegal and just genuinely a really shitty thing to do to people who just happen to be related to someone who chose to be a criminal.

Also, you do realize that if the FBI had access to such information everyone in Lizard Squad would already be in jail, right? Right??

FBI? Apparently they're no NSA cause those guys would be all over em by now.

[Kosmos992k]

FBI? Apparently they're no NSA cause those guys would be all over em by now.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that the NSA *SHOULD* be all over them by now. So many of these DDOS attacks and other low level nuisance attacks and even intrusions (actual hacks) involve foreign nationals acting outside the USA which places dealing with them squarely in the cross hairs of both the CIA and NSA, which begs the question, why aren't we taking these people down (I mean bringing to actual justice, not 'take them out' justice) in the most public manner possible to deter others?

If the attackers are resident in the USA, it would fall under the FBI's jurisdiction, but they could still bring in expertize from other agencies so long as it's done within the framework of the FBI's rules of operation.

Still, it kind of makes you wonder. Even if these agencies merely have the capabilities that Snowden and others claim - instead of the fanciful stuff portrayed on TV, they could easily be all over this. In which case, there has to be a reason why they are not in fact all over this. So either they are in fact not all they are cracked up to be, or it serves them in some way to allow these pinheads to continue operating.

SE uses similar tactics when going after RMT, they leave bots and others alone while they trace back to the source, then they take out the entire lot at once - though each RMT and their agents much be dealt with separately from other RMT. The point being, they have to leave the small fry alone for a while so they can find the big fish lurking deeper down.

I can only hope that as we move forward and things become ever more interconnected and dependent on the 'net, governments can finally realize that this stuff matters, even if it's only a bunch of script kiddies joyriding PSN or XBL into the ground. Without some form of enforcement and security within the overall world of the Internet, we are existing in a pretty lawless place where vigilante action is tempting because there is no other effective recourse. The problem is that vigilante action is at least as illegal as the original offense, so the person retaliating may in fact be caught and punished, even if the original attackers are not.

In related news, Anonymous is currently having a feud with Lizard Squad. Anonymous DDoS'd their website and got two of their accounts banned from Twitter.

Just a matter of time before things start getting more serious.

LOL, nice to hear that Anonymous is doing something constructive for once.

[brody138]

LOL, nice to hear that Anonymous is doing something constructive for once.

What have they done that would not be constructive in their eyes? It's not like they go around randomly targeting people/organizations.

[Kosmos992k]

What have they done that would not be constructive in their eyes? It's not like they go around randomly targeting people/organizations.

I was voicing my opinion, not everything that group does is constructive in my opinion, though it may be constructive as far as they are concerned.

[brody138]

I was voicing my opinion, not everything that group does is constructive in my opinion, though it may be constructive as far as they are concerned.

I personally like Anonymous. They are very reactive to situations that happen all over the globe, and usually have a pretty good reason for the actions that they take. I can definitely understand a difference in opinion. Some people like Batman, some people hate vigilante justice. =]

[Faelandaea]

I personally like Anonymous. They are very reactive to situations that happen all over the globe, and usually have a pretty good reason for the actions that they take. I can definitely understand a difference in opinion. Some people like Batman, some people hate vigilante justice. =]

This. I have always loved and supported Anonymous in their efforts. If they hack something, there is a serious reason behind it - a very legitimate and supportable reason.

As for the OP of this post - PSN was most likely down for maintenance. If anyone hacked them, it wasn't this "Lizard Squad". I started researching this supposed "Lizard Squad" - they never hacked anything - ever. It was always someone else and LS took the credit. From what I am understanding, the best hacking LS could do is probably guessing the password to try to disable the net-nanny that mommy and daddy put on the computer to try to keep them from looking at porn.

Most legitimate hack groups will actually post BEFORE they do something - like a challenge. In short it translates to "Guess what, you pissed us off and here's what we are going to do to you" However there are other legitimate groups that do not announce before-hand. They prefer the sneak attack, but when THOSE groups attack, they leave a signature of some sort - like a placeholder index.html with their logo or something.

A DDoS attack is not considered hacking. It's a form of digital harassment, yes, but in the eyes of any true hacker, unless you are actually physically penetrating and manipulating files in a place you shouldn;t be able to access, you aren;t hacking - you're just being annoying. DDoS is just annoying, and it doesn't prove anything. Say PSN really was attacked with DDoS . . . . so what? You annoyed a few gamers trying to log onto their games, but your real target - the company you are attacking - they don;t take the heat, really. They can post any story they want - "Sorry we had emergency maintenance to fix a bug . . . " However, actually HACK that server, bring it down on your own, and leave a message in place of their web site that embarrasses the company completely - THAT sends a message.

Go ahead and DDoS a game I play - you won't end my life - you'll just divert me to do something else I enjoy for a bit - maybe go for a drive to the mountains, do some photography, go to the nightclub . . . maybe even hang out with my sweetie (Just kidding if you are reading this, love). With DDoS you never delivered a message to me and you didn't accomplish anything but change the order of my day somewhat, and I'll probably assume it's just server maintenance.

[Lori]

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You're speaking entirely from your own perspective. There are many other people that value PSN and Xbox Live a lot more than you do, and thus would be much more upset at this

[HakuroDK]

LOL, nice to hear that Anonymous is doing something constructive for once.

Anonymous is kind of a "Robin Hood" type of organization, just more chaotic than good. They've done a lot of work that could be described as good, including the hacking of the government websites of middle-eastern despots and shedding light on acts of corruption and terrorism. Where their morality is up for debate is when it comes to things like hacking the Department of Justice in retaliation for going after NSA whistleblowers like Edward Snowden or DDoSing the Swedish Government's websites for their raid on The Pirate Bay.

Lizard Squad is definitely more of a "for t3h lulz" kind of organization that just like to piss people off because they're bored and greedy.

I think it's good that Anonymous is going after Lizard Squad and, while I don't always agree with Anonymous's methodology towards getting things done, but I do feel they are the far lesser of two evils as they do some work in support of civil rights that many organizations cannot do, at least publicly.