In-Game Parser.

[HeroSamson]

They're pointing out the holes in your argument by offering an example using your logic.

Zero holes, people will try and bend and twist things to make themselves look like parser's are good for those types of things.

[HeroSamson]

My last comment on this subject.

I know you'll comment try to come back with a witty come back for my comments that try to make me sound like I am the bad one.
Though I am only stating the obvious that parser's are only used to attack others or make them feel like they have a right to brag or talk down to others who don't meet their standards.

They want SE to agree to a parser which then gives them the power to kick because SE says its fine to use a parser which I believe is why they are asking for one to begin with (its my opinion)

Anyways that is all I have to say on this subject.

Also don't make it seem like I am one of those people who slack in the runs I do my job perfect I just don't pick on people who mess up and those are the ones I am defending.

[Viridiana]

Zero holes, people will try and bend and twist things to make themselves look like parser's are good for those types of things.

/sigh

You: I don't want people telling me how to play my job. You don't pay my sub fees!
Me: I'll just follow you around not doing any damage. You don't pay my sub fees!
Qi: That's taking it to an illogical extreme.
Me: It's me taking it to an extreme to point out that not paying sub fees is no justification for wasting someone's time.
You: What does this have to do with parsing?

Answer: It has everything to do with wasting people's time.

[Taika]

Nothing, I don't need programs to make myself better or my team in order to win a fight.

I just don't understand what you need parser for other than attacking others because they slow you down.

You do not now how good you're doing without a parser, DPS wise. Mechanically, you do know, because you know how you move and if you're evading stuff or not. DPS wise, all you know is if you seem to be following the optimal rotation (based on what someone else has parsed) and that things are or aren't dying fast enough with your group. But you can't know if you're doing good damage for your item level. And if your group fails to pass DPS check, you don't know if it's you who has to do better or someone else.

[HeroSamson]

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1. Correct if I don't do my job kick me.
2. Again that sounds like something you kick for not using a parser and radar would tell you he's not with you, don't need a parser for that and you have eyes I am sure you can see him not attacking also how would you follow me around?
3. lol what
4. as I said nobody is wasting your time the game is going to be here tomorrow next day and as long as SE wants it to, the content is here and if someone is wasting your time then kick them for the reasons you stated if they rejoin leave you do not need parser for that.

Answer: your answer is kick them or leave and you do not need a parser for that, its no reason to have a parser.

[Moqi]

With parsers being so readily available to the PC audience, and being a huge presence in the game already, what's stopping people from doing that right now? Why haven't we seen these fears of yours come to fruition for upwards of a year and a half of 2.0? PF, in and of itself, is the idea of denying players access to your party based on discrimination. So why, with a system that so readily allows that, have we not seen people requiring a specific parse to show them to join? Hmm?

They'd have to admit to using one, which is not allowed. At most you can say "no bad players", which is still rude, but not as discriminatory, since it's highly subjective.

My static uses parsers, I know it can have benefits if used the right way. Personally, I've had my healing parsed once when I joined, got told it was roughly the same as the other healer and from then on I've tuned out of every discussion regarding numbers because I couldn't care less - I can still tell who the top DPS in my static is without having a clue of what number he's pulling. When I want to try new things to conserve MP/generate less aggro, I just talk to my co-healer and tank(s) first and if it's feesable we try it out and I watch if it's too straining on either of them, no need for numbers, I can notice if they're using more cooldowns than usual and that's all I need to know I'm not healing enough.

I think the flaw in your reasoning is that you expect parsing to stay limited to end game raids and between people who more or less use parsers already (in the "good" way), like it is now, when it won't likely be the case. Bad attitudes spread more easily than good ones. I'm sure we'll be seeing absurd dps requirements on all kinds of things (we already have PF with absurd min ilvl) and in the end, the toxic envoirment and attitudes it will create will outweight the good benefits it can have on the people who just want to self improve.

Look at speedrunning, solo healing or solo tanking - there's a pattern already of the community taking neutral concept and twisting them to shun players and discriminate. This would only make matters worse.

[Cutie_McSnuggles]

I guess I should chime in and say I'm totally for having an official parser in game. One of the reasons I don't DPS often is because I have no way of knowing how good I'm really doing. Even when tanking I feel like I should be able to check how much I'm contributing. I mean it's easy to tell if I'm holding hate but beyond that how can I improve myself? So I normally just stick to healing, then it's easy to tell how well I'm doing as it doesn't matter how much DPS I'm adding because I don't really spend that much time doing DPS.

[Lycelle]

Nothing, I don't need programs to make myself better or my team in order to win a fight.

I just don't understand what you need parser for other than attacking others because they slow you down.

You re confusing the two definitions here. A parser is just a tool. You cannot blame the tool for someone's behavior. You don't need a parser to be an asshole.

They'd have to admit to using one, which is not allowed. At most you can say "no bad players", which is still rude, but not as discriminatory, since it's highly subjective.

My static uses parsers, I know it can have benefits if used the right way. Personally, I've had my healing parsed once when I joined, got told it was roughly the same as the other healer and from then on I've tuned out of every discussion regarding numbers because I couldn't care less - I can still tell who the top DPS in my static is without having a clue of what number he's pulling. When I want to try new things to conserve MP/generate less aggro, I just talk to my co-healer and tank(s) first and if it's feesable we try it out and I watch if it's too straining on either of them, no need for numbers, I can notice if they're using more cooldowns than usual and that's all I need to know I'm not healing enough.

I think the flaw in your reasoning is that you expect parsing to stay limited to end game raids and between people who more or less use parsers already (in the "good" way), like it is now, when it won't likely be the case. Bad attitudes spread more easily than good ones. I'm sure we'll be seeing absurd dps requirements on all kinds of things (we already have PF with absurd min ilvl) and in the end, the toxic envoirment and attitudes it will create will outweight the good benefits it can have on the people who just want to self improve.

Look at speedrunning, solo healing or solo tanking - there's a pattern already of the community taking neutral concept and twisting them to shun players and discriminate. This would only make matters worse.

How is a glorified calculator to blame for people's natural elitist attitudes towards other players? It's not discrimination in the slightest. You can't blame players for the way the game was set up to be. To sit here and say that iLevel requirements, speedrunning, solo tanking is discrimination is like giving Yoshi-P's development team the middle finger for making PF. It's there to be used, you make the choice whether or not to use it. If you don't like the way someone make's their party, then by all means make one better. Solo Healing/Tanking is merely an ideal for players who feel comfortable enough in their own skin to take up the task of doing so. It gives players a challenge but also an easier way to get through content by offering up spots to extra DPS. So really it's people trying to help each other out instead of discrimination as you claim. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

[HeroSamson]

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Okay you guys want a parser so bad how about this.

Then you should ask SE to make a Duty finder type For all the dungeon, coil and what not what ever you choose and have them add a parser only to that.
Make it a free zone to do the following.

1.Kick players for any reasons at all.
2. you cant get in trouble for it.

I am positive nobody would join that duty it would be empty a lot, I know it would be fun at first just to see how much output you do at first until people start getting out of hand.

The only ones who would use it are the ones asking for parsers but then again wolves tend to turn on each other when something goes wrong in the pack, some will use it for good, some will use it for bad.

[HeroSamson]

You re confusing the two definitions here. A parser is just a tool. You cannot blame the tool for someone's behavior. You don't need a parser to be an asshole.

That's what I hear all the time, some of you might not use it for bad, if its anyone I am talking about or the ones who should blame for people like me not liking it.

Is the ones who miss use the tool for wrong.