In-Game Parser.

[Havenchild]

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You have come full circle to the many benefits of having a parser. This is actually what it tends to be used for more often contrary to popular belief. Not only that, its VERY easy to single out WHERE players lose DPS like on what phase, and having this information allows players to adjust rotations or cooldown usage in prior phases.

Many who are against parsers, so far I have noticed in this thread, do not actually raid on current content (go figure). Why is this relevant though?

I feel there is a lack of understanding of what a DPS check really is to these people. None of the current EX Primals(Odin included) are valuable in this DPS environment as most that have enrage timers, are easily downed before them unless massive amounts of death come into play. Then you see something like Odin which seems different from most fights, which seems intense (even though his "DPS" check really occurs at the 15% rush, easily completed by holding buffs till then.)

Now imagine if you had a DPS check for the entire encounter that was actually rather strict, then mini DPS checks in-between certain phases (adds for example having to die before the next phase/ or usage of certain skill). Parsers help these moments greatly by seeing this information. We don't necessarily have the time to sift through everything in battle log, pull out a calculator, take some averages and see what were doing, granted most people I've raided with as I'm sure others still actually check battle log when "something" did a lot of damage to them to figure out what it was.

Yes it is possible that all of your DPS know their classes and how to play them very well and still fail a DPS check during a particular add phase mid encounter simply because they haven't adjusted their overall rotation to the encounter to better arm themselves for that particular phase. You may then say, "yeah but its obvious if you need more damage on add phase, save cooldowns for the add phase!!! Eureka!", yeah but are you forgetting the overall enrage thats still strict for the entire encounter? I may save buffs in the previous phase to go ham on the adds phase but is that helping us beat the overall enrage encounter? What if im sacrificing too much in the beginning, to burn down those adds and thus my beginning DPS is not very high? This is where parsers come in to better illuminate the entire picture. It can with frequency show you how much sacrifice is enough to do both.

[Abbul_Stonecleaver]

^ exactly
Our Ninja is having difficulty atm with figuring out exactly how to adjust his rotation to fit in the first 2 phases of Turn 13. He has to keep asking the PC guy in the static how he did that run to know.

Having that information to himself would be far easier to analyze.


As well as myself, in every single fight, even as a Warrior, I need to adjust every single GCD to fit to maximize my dps, while handling all the tank responsibilities. How will I know doing x is greater than y without being able to *really* know? I can ask how I did after a wipe or success, but it would be far more convenient if I could look myself any time.

[Massterchef]

stuff

Kudos, you've finally seen the light.

[Asmodai]

they said they were considering a parser (possibly on the striking dummies) but only for your own DPS readouts because they feel too many elitists would ruin the game for others if they made an official parser that sees everyones DPS. so unless being able to only parse your own DPS is what you want I wouldn't count on it happening.

Uhhh nah... He said they can do it with addons but they didnt want to put it in the game. That is until the ps4 players complain because the master pc race has addon parsers.

[Asmodai]

joined a party jut to get kicked out for not knowing which in the elitist jerk pov was not worth taking as they might slow them down this one thing i don't want players to experience just because people don't care about thing as little as what dps the splashing out does not mean there not a good player and i know this will happen in this game

Here is the nice thing, you dont have to group with them. They have just as much right not to take you as you do not to go with them. They are not your slaves, quit trying to force people to play the game with people they dont like.

[mikecoby]

Pretty hot topic, ya? It's pretty easy to see the division between players who have used parser and those who haven't and don't like the idea. I think it would be fair to say casual players fit into the latter portion. And considering that this game was built to be casual friendly, I think I understand why SE doesn't want it in FFXIV. To be fair, parser can be very helpful for more hardcore players doing top tier content. Being able to see the numbers of an encounter can pin point the any issues, save time and gives a greater understanding of what the problem is and then being able to solve it quicker and more efficiently. Now, having said that, the other side of that argument is that parser can be used as a tool to judge a player based on a number crunch alone. And more importantly, it would bring a divide between the players on this game. You can read this thread and see how divisive parser can be. If parser was to be implemented, I could see the casual group becoming more hesitant to use Duty Finder because they know other players are judging them even more, and having the raw numbers to tells someone they're not doing their job right or that they're a bad player can be really discouraging. Especially for people who play this game just to relax after work or on the weekends.

I've played this game without a parser since 2010 and FF11 before that. I have also played WOW for a good bit and I have to honestly say that without a parser there is less drama and fighting. But on that same note, when I played with a parser on WOW, I noticed players were quicker with their damage, and instances were almost like a rush to see who could do the best damage making everything much faster. It shines under the right usage, but can be abused as well to ridicule, troll and belittle other players who aren't as experienced. We see enough of that as it is, ya? SE knows the problems it causes. It has its pros and cons but they decided against it.

[Viridiana]

I know I wouldn't like to hear people breathing down my neck about my damage or how I play that gets on my nerves and really people should shut their mouth and play their own damn game.
You do not pay anyones bill to make that choice for them.

So, if I level a character in Cactuar, then follow you into as many dungeons as I can only to /afk /follow for the duration of the dungeon, you would shut your mouth and play your own damn game, because it's not your bill to make that choice for me? >_>

[QiLymePye]

So, if I level a character in Cactuar, then follow you into as many dungeons as I can only to /afk /follow for the duration of the dungeon, you would shut your mouth and play your own damn game, because it's not your bill to make that choice for me? >_>

See, this is you taking it to the extreme, because in your example, you are not playing the game. and on top of that , you are harassing the other players in doing what you are giving an example of. Stop being a dick. My question to all these people that are saying a parser is "needed" in this game...have you stopped playing the game? Actually, i have a better idea SE...make a server thats for parser only and send all the elites and etc there..like a hardcore server....they can play with their own kind, yell at each other, and etc. But of course, you would only need one server for that group.

[Nominous]

SE knows the problems it causes. It has its pros and cons but they decided against it.

There's many pros. There's one, singular con. The one con is a fear that is inappropriately pinned on the parser itself, and not the few idiots who are hopelessly toxic in the first place, even if you removed parsing from the equation. Widespread availability doesn't somehow make people more toxic. A person who was harassing you before, will just have new reasons to harass you. Does it change how you feel about them? No. You think they're a jerk regardless. If they didn't have a parser, would they still harass you? They'd find a reason in anything if it meant being annoying.

[Nominous]

See, this is you taking it to the extreme, because in your example, you are not playing the game. and on top of that , you are harassing the other players in doing what you are giving an example of. Stop being a dick. My question to all these people that are saying a parser is "needed" in this game...have you stopped playing the game?

No, I've become better at the game. And to all the people afraid of being told how to play, or whatever else...I don't have a parser, but when I started doing Second Coil back in 2.3, I was parsing only barely at 300 as a DRG. When I was told that, and was presented with a new rotation, I accepted it, instead of refusing help. I wasn't serious about the end-game, but why would I refuse advice on how to become better? What sense does that make, at all? Because I don't want to improve? Just because you 'can' stay at passable levels doesn't mean that constructive criticism is bad. Most people who use parsers either use it for personal betterment, progression, or competition on a personal level, and if they use it to try and make you better, that isn't a bad thing.

Also- The mental image you should get is a child who has a parent telling them that if they would just switch up how they do x task, they might have an easier time, and that child pouting because their parent offered advice. Because that's what it sounds like when people say that they're fine playing the game they want to, and they don't want others telling them how to play. Change your mindset. Instead of looking at that as someone telling you how to play the game, look at it as an open hand, or invitation, to begin fully understanding what you're experiencing. There's a blacklist feature for a reason, people who would harass you with this.

You need a parser if you're going to do end-game content, and want to complete it without wasting time. You already have to work through learning mechanics, placement, and many other things. The last thing you want to deal with is someone not pulling their own weight, or missing marks for DPS without knowing it.