The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[Cynthis]

I find it funny that in a number of other threads people have told me that it's an MMO, you're supposed to play together with and help others. When it comes to hunts some of those same people are now basically saying screw everyone else, I will take my reward and not waste a second and the rest of the server be damned.

[Lycelle]

This is a bad example, but an example none the less.

You are sleeping in your house. A robber breaks into your house and tries to steal from you. You catch them in the act and shoot & or stab them. They then flee the area, wounded and hurt. The person was in the wrong to steal from you, and you were defending your property/goods. But they now have the right to sue you.

See here. - http://www.cbsnews.com/news/burglar-...returned-fire/

Now putting this in XIV Terms. Yes. It is wrong for someone to run up to a mob and "troll" they reset the mob, facepull, etc etc. They are now "firing" the first shot. The next step is your party or whoever you're with mind you then steps in and claims the mob after the said troller dies from the engagement. You being yourself and the party you are with then proceed to go and do the following.

Troll: Huehuehuehue *Pulls mob, dies*
You: *Shouts* Hey Leon pulled the mob early.<---This is okay to do. Everyone blacklist him and make sure to not let him into your Hunt Linkshells. <-This. Right here, is where you mess up. Now it turns into a case of harassment. Because you are now going out of your way to make SURE they do not get to enjoy the game.

Sure, what they did was "wrong" to begin with, but they died as a resulted consequence and you get a laugh out of it. The deed is done, the troll is dead and you are all witness to it. However. The moment you start shouting for that person to be blacklisted/witch hunted by the server is the moment you are stepping into the same field of harassment as they are. Granted it's different terms, but it IS a form of harassment via public slandering/shaming. This type of act has a long and drawn out effect which in turn will cause a lot of drama for that person to deal with because you started it.

[Yukiko]

I find it funny that in a number of other threads people have told me that it's an MMO, you're supposed to play together with and help others. When it comes to hunts some of those same people are now basically saying screw everyone else, I will take my reward and not waste a second and the rest of the server be damned.

well said

[MeiUshu]

well really nothing forces them to wait for anyone, moral differes from people to people, we dont all have the same moral about this.

People want what they want and generally cant see what what they want may not be what others want....and when it comes to hunt what all want is to get the reward...and to get it you needt o be there and make sure you have the less people possible present ...., nothing immoralt, nothing wrong or what not.

Just beacuse you see as wrong, doesnt make it so. For some beating their wife is perfectly ok, for others is not..who says is more right or wrong, all you can do is accept or not and associate with such behaviour or not. pretty simple in my eyes.

Mei

[HulveinBlitz]

Just beacuse you see as wrong, doesnt make it so. For some beating their wife is perfectly ok, for others is not..

Mei

Just ganna sit here to see how much attention that little segment gets.

[XNihili]

well really nothing forces them to wait for anyone, moral differes from people to people, we dont all have the same moral about this.

Sure but even if you have different values, you have to face the consequence of this difference nonetheless.
You think you (and everybody) are entitled to pull early. Then you shouldn't feel slighted when someone tells everybody that you did pull early because you did. People with the same view will ignore the shout, the others may banlist you.
You can't expect the "you have to respect my moral differences" to protect you, especially when these differences are affecting others.

[Myrhn]

So lets do an experiment, I will "early pull" every hunt I can and you can report me for that. At the same time you publicly shame me in shout and I will report you for that. At the end of the day lets see who SE deside to give a warning or temporary ban.

[Mercutial]

Out of ALL the problems mentioned, it's really the aetheryte leeches that bother me the most. So very lazy.....
The LEAST SE could do is not penalize active hunters. That borders on farce.

[Kinseykinz]

Just beacuse you see as wrong, doesnt make it so. For some beating their wife is perfectly ok, for others is not..who says is more right or wrong, all you can do is accept or not and associate with such behaviour or not. pretty simple in my eyes.

Mei

While, I am hoping this is a post meant to 'incite' the difference here is this:

SE makes the FFXIV 'laws' and by SE's 'laws' if you will, 'early pulling' in and of it's self doesn't actually break any laws. Taunting other players/harassing other players however (whether you be the puller or the people angry about the pull), IS against the FFXIV 'laws' if you will. So really even if you think it's 'wrong' to early pull (or if you think it's right for the matter), it's a moote point. According to the folk who make the rules, it's totally aokay to pull a Hunt mob when you see it/think you can handle it. No one who pulls based on this 'I saw it, and thought me/my team could handle it' will get in trouble for pulling, no matter how much ruckus those who feel left out cause. Now if that SAME person runs in taunting 'hey losers, I'm gonna get full credit and you can't stop me'...and esp if they keep doing it over and over on different mobs...then yes, they will get in trouble...but, and here's the key point. NOT for 'early pulling, but for being abusive and for harassing others/affecting others gameplay. Why? Because their intent isn't to play the game/hunt...it's to purposefully inconvience and taunt others.

Now in our world, at least in the country I live in, if you beat your wife, you most assuredly are breaking the law. And you will be punished. You can think it's 'right' (lol) all you want, but the law of the land says 'yeah no, you can't do that'.

Also, I'd avoid comparing pulling a pixelated bunny 'early' forcing a bit of nerd rage in a pretend video game world, to the beating of a real human being and ever imply those two things hold equal morality. Because, well wow.

[Kinseykinz]

Out of ALL the problems mentioned, it's really the aetheryte leeches that bother me the most. So very lazy.....
The LEAST SE could do is not penalize active hunters. That borders on farce.

Ironically, do you know how you discourage people from sitting at the aytherites on their butts waiting for the call outs?


You PULL as soon as enough people who could logically take down the mark arrive....and/or you only share the intell within your close groups (ie party/FC/trusted ls source).

If mobs were pulled and killed more or less on sight/when enough people show up to kill them, then guess what, people couldn't effectively leech anymore by hanging out at the Aytherite.

So if you want to take the 'everyone deserves a shot' approach, that's totally fine.
But just like 'everyone' includes rude people who might not wait to pull...it also includes rude people not willing to actively help look.

Everyone means everyone. The good, the bad, the ugly. If you don't want to feed the early pullers or the aytherite campers, then you either need to pull far earlier than you likely are as a group or you need to stop sharing intell with outsiders (whoever the 'outsiders' might be to you). If you want the 'everybody gets a shot' to continue, then you need to accept, people are doing this content because they see it as the 'easy way' and it attracts a lot of 'lazy'. And you will be feeding the 'lazy' as well until they get what they want and no longer even wish to wait at the camps for the callouts.


While I personally feel it's noble and all to wait for others, I also believe it's not necessary beyond 'welp we waited 2 mins and have more than enough ppl here'/ 'we have enough here pull'.
-And no, I never pulled a mob.
-And yes, I actually will on my server in /sh call out what I see ...even if get this, I spot it but for whatever reason (like doing a fate/leve/in a queue etc), cannot actually participate in the battle. My point, just because I have no problem with 'early pulls' doesn't mean I support greedy play perse...I'll TELL you where a mob is if I see it, even if I can't get credit for it for whatever reason...just don't scream at each other over it 10 mins later...

Seriously, I don't care that people want to 'spread the wealth' but, I just want the hate /sh spams to stop. It really is unpleasant, and childish.