In-Game Parser.

[Animarelic]

Parsers should be allowed for high end raiding because there is nothing worse than a DF player who assumes echo is going to cover for their lack of skill in a DF turn. Makes no sense why you have full ilv 110+ people with 15% echo in T9 and they still get 6 meteors on the first phase. It would make people take it more seriously and clean up the DF time sink.

[Wildsprite]

A parser should be a mandatory starting point for any player

while I'm not against having an official parser I am against making them mandatory because I'm sorry that takes and turns a game into more of a job or chore. making something like that mandatory would kill this game. I'm against a mandatory parser period

Why is someone who didn't clear T5 until 2.3? and hasn't cleared T9 talking about raid difficulty? Can you explain that part to me?

you lost all credibility with me on this comment/question you are talking about raid content that the majority of the player base doesn't even want to do and I'm nost certain Lycelle is talking about Labyrinth of the Ancients/Syrcus Tower/World of Darkness which are infact considered raids.

Again, you continue to embrace mediocrity and shun any notion of not being utterly terrible. Being good at something is fun. You should try it sometime.

using a parser to make you good at something does nothing to denote skill at all, skill is gained by learning parsers do little to help you truly learn skill. if you don't have the skills to start with a parser wont do a damned thing for you. if you think that fun I feel sorry for you

There are many resources (videos, text guides, livestreams...etc.) created/run by good players for the express purpose of helping people to improve themselves.

those videos/text guides/live streams are nice and all but some people are hands on and only learn by doing.

Which brings back the issue of Dps not knowing they are doing bad because there is no way to tell. In which case, they don't try and make changes/improve because they think they're doing fine already.

personal parsers on the striking dummies are a pretty good idea and they have talked about this.

Add parsers in to the game.
Let players opt in or out of being able to see the parser window or not.
Let players opt in or out of having their numbers beeing seen in the DUTY FINDER trials and raids.
Let party leaders for PARTY FINDER set the party's parser visibility settings (overrides individual settings).

Alright, someone point out to me how this system can be used to hurt the feelings of anti parser players cause I want to see a real 100% accurate and detailed parser that my fc party can use for coil.

I think you missed where Yoshi said personal parsing on striking dummies was as far as they were willing to go. <---I'm thinking many of you missed this. he said it in either one of his live letters or one of the fan festivals when he was asked about official parsers. that they were considering striking dummies with parsing enabled on them but they would never add an official parser that would show everyone the results.

[Lycelle]

I still see no benefit to parsing someone, whether it be negative or positive. If this game was all about numbers I'd just hire an accountant to play the game for me.

[Kazumac]

I seriously don't see why every anti parser person thinks striking dummy parsing is a happy medium... It isn't. Go look at what (Google search for a parser) gives you... Unless SE decides to give us equivalent functionality, the other parsers will still be used. Also a striking dummy does nothing for non DPS classes. Retrospectively looking at my over heal and other performance metrics during an actual fight is a huge boon as a healer. This proposed middle ground is not enough.

Also striking dummy and real fight performance is completely different. (It's been mentioned before but the point needs to be reiterated)

[Wildsprite]

I seriously don't see why every anti parser person thinks striking dummy parsing is a happy medium... It isn't. Go look at what *** or some other parser gives you... Unless SE decides to give us equivalent functionality, the other parsers will still be used. Also a striking dummy does nothing for non DPS classes. Retrospectively looking at my over heal and other performance metrics during an actual fight is a huge boon as a healer. This proposed middle ground is not enough.

Also striking dummy and real fight performance is completely different. (It's been mentioned before but the point needs to be reiterated)

whether that is true or not I was giving the stance Yoshi-P and the devs have on this. you're not going to get an official parser and I would suggest you don't use the names of the 3rd party ones here.

[Kazumac]

I still see no benefit to parsing someone, whether it be negative or positive. If this game was all about numbers I'd just hire an accountant to play the game for me.

It's not all about the numbers all the time but there certainly are failures that come down to not having the dps numbers. Either you haven't experienced that in progression content or you are lucky enough to have a group that could pull it off out of the gates.

I raided back when T5 was pre echo and most not even close to i90... We couldn't make all the dps checks. It was a problem, team worked on improving their numbers. We then had success. Sometimes it is about the numbers. And that is why we want to parse. Not because it is always about the numbers but that it sometimes is about them.

[Kazumac]

whether that is true or not I was giving the stance Yoshi-P and the devs have on this. you're not going to get an official parser and I would suggest you don't use the names of the 3rd party ones here.

Yeah I was there, I heard it... I don't agree so I'm voicing my opinion. I'll edit my post to remove the name.

[Massterchef]

I still see no benefit to parsing someone, whether it be negative or positive. If this game was all about numbers I'd just hire an accountant to play the game for me.

Probably because you don't raid and/or your groups are drastically over-geared for whatever content you are pushing..let alone echo.

Ignorance is bliss I guess.

[Slappah]

I still see no benefit to parsing someone, whether it be negative or positive. If this game was all about numbers I'd just hire an accountant to play the game for me.

That's good and all. But for the players who are actually raiding the hardest difficulty content while it's current, could benefit GREATLY from being able to parse even just themselves during a raid.

I'm all for the notion that everyone play how they want to play. Not everyone is a hardcore raider.
But for ANYONE who genuinely wants to improve their own personal play, would greatly benefit from having a parser available to them.
Even if it is just for themselves and not everyone (although it should be) it would benefit them.

I don't care who you are. If you're playing this game, in no way shape or form would NOT being able to see your dps/damage done/hps/healing done be a GOOD thing.

[Gardes]

I think you missed where Yoshi said personal parsing on striking dummies was as far as they were willing to go. <---I'm thinking many of you missed this. he said it in either one of his live letters or one of the fan festivals when he was asked about them. that they were considering striking dummies with parsing enabled on them but they would never add an official parser that would show everyone the results.

No, I did not. Pretty sure that most people wanting in-game parsers in this thread did not miss that either. Pretty sure the point of this thread is to TRY changing yoship's mind or at least other player's mind, which is probably futile on the latter because most of these seem to not care about other people's opinions and views and can be so flippant as to just discard any detailed explanation/argument with "just a game" style remarks (see post below you).

I mean, okay, you people don't like players who want to take the game more seriously so you probably don't want to play with those players right? It's also safe to say that those players probably don't want to play with you people either right? Then both parties can stay clear off each other (I'm sure you're already doing this). But people are apparently rejecting pre-made only parsers? So what's the problem here? "I don't like PFs that doesn't fit me so I don't want it to sully my eyes"?