So how is EX Titan now?

[radioactive_lego]

I've beaten it once recently as DPS, but it was after 2nd wipe w/ that team. I want to give it a go w/ WHM or PLD but I don't know the sequence of events well enough to risk getting flamed by everyone in the party for failing to pop a specific cd at the appropriate time.

Ultimately I'm just upset SE would not make echo bonus more publisized, gradiated and substantial so "learning parties" actually had a chance to learn before time ran out, or people start to ragequit.

[LineageRazor]

The point is not that people are saying that Titan ex is laggy, i even admitted that myself. The point is that people are pretending it makes them unable to beat the fight at all, which is hands down just straight up ridiculous! People use this to make themselves feel better with their unability to beat the fight, and the fact how many other ppl are jumping on that train makes it even easier.

Depending on how bad the connection is, some players can reliably expect at least one significant lag spike every time they challenge Titan, perhaps several. The difference between Titan and other fights is, if you DO get a significant lag spike, a lot of the time you're not just dead, you're out of the fight entirely. Leviathan and lolDemonWall are the only other comparable fights in the game in this regard, and Titan is much, much worse than either of those in his unforgivingly tight movement requirements.

For players playing under these restrictions, Titan IS unwinnable - unless you count being carried by the other seven players, and in that case I don't really consider them to have "beaten" the fight at all, and they likely do not either.

As I mentioned, my connection is not the best, but it is also not the worst. I have experienced evenings when I knew there'd simply be no point in fighting Titan because the lag would make me a liability rather than an asset - and I've beaten Titan several times. I know the difference between when the lag makes the fight unplayable, and when the fight will be smooth. For some players, though, the lag I consider bad is what they have to deal with all the time. For them, whether or not they can beat Titan has nothing to do with their skill, and everything to do with lag miraculously never setting in when it's going to cost them badly. They keep trying, waiting for the day when the stars will align and they get the perfect pattern of lag that lets them get through the entire fight - and also that the seven others they play with can hold up their end, when many of THOSE players may also be waiting for their own stars to align.

There ARE bad players, don't get me wrong, and some of them undoubtedly blame lag for their shortcomings. But don't make the mistake of assuming that everyone who blames lag is actually a bad player.

Even worse, the more time passes, the more obsolete content like Titan becomes. The majority of players attempting him are not skilled veterans, but players trying to beat him in order to access other content. This means that more and more often when you join a Titan fight it will be mostly composed of newbies, bad players, and folks suffering from chronic lag. SE tried to encourage skilled veterans back to repeat the content by adding the rare mounts, but skilled vets understandibly prefer to team up with other skilled vets in Party Finder groups, rather than struggle through the content with these players.

It's a troublesome problem. While I don't know what the answer is, I'm reasonably sure that telling folks with lag to "git gud" isn't very helpful.

[GhibliTheSW]

My ex's tits are saggy now.

[Fynlar]

It's funny how people still pretend reaction is an important thing for Titan ex. The fight is 100% scripted, the rotation and timing for every move Titan does is always the same.

You act like most people can be bothered to memorize all of his rotations by heart. For the ones that can't or won't, it most certainly is about reaction.

[juniglee]

For the most part, those playing in Japan have excellent ping, simply due to the consequences of a vastly smaller geographic area to cover - and ask most players and the hardest part of Titan EX is all in reaction times. There's also some extreme differences between NA and JP in terms of the use of the Duty Finder - in Japan, the common expectation is that you're there already with plenty experience, skill, and have likely cleared before. In NA, Duty Finder is a crapshoot between all levels of experience.

And it was honestly never about the gear; it's about the things that can kill you, which by and large haven't changed.

That depends. I've gotten tons of 100 soldiery bonuses on DF Titan EX, and still managed to at least two shot it, if not one shot (and said new player didn't die). Then again, these days everyone is so overgeared for everything, that being a member or two down isn't really significant anymore.

[Zumi]

I win about 90% of my Titan EX runs in DF usually queue for all the runs I need ponies on. Since a lot of people doing them for ponies now and know the fight its usually an easy win. Unless both healers are on 100 solidary and fall right away then you lose but thats really only way.

[BreathlessTao]

They keep trying, waiting for the day when the stars will align and they get the perfect pattern of lag that lets them get through the entire fight - and also that the seven others they play with can hold up their end, when many of THOSE players may also be waiting for their own stars to align.

^ That. It's like the manifold RNG gating of so many crafter items / glamour pieces. Getting just one thing probably won't turn all your hair grey, getting all of them together will probably have you scratch the paint off the walls until your nails bleed. And with those it is only RNG, in a fight like this, you have the RNG and the additional potential new and/or bad players as well.

And yeah, I'm not sure people in general actually memorise all those rotations and know them by heart. Especially if they don't want to farm the content in question.