Petition to change "A Tankless Job" Achievment Chain

[Eye_Gore]

Dark Knight will be underplayed and PLD and WAR will continue to have lesser numbers of players. Tanking requires taking responsibility, and the vast majority of people dont like that.

No matter how fun tanking becomes, people just wont do it.

This and from what I gathered from other threads. Tanks are considered prima donna aholes that hold everyone hostage in dungeons so they can get gear and threaten parties to leave and tell them good luck finding another tank if they don't get their way. I guess people don't want that label either so they stay away from tanking.

[Grimmel]

This and from what I gathered from other threads. Tanks are considered prima donna aholes that hold everyone hostage in dungeons so they can get gear and threaten parties to leave and tell them good luck finding another tank if they don't get their way. I guess people don't want that label either so they stay away from tanking.

Please don't bring another threads topics into this one. :\ Especially when it was you who showed such negativity over that thread. I'd like to keep this topic on track.

[Eye_Gore]

Please don't bring another threads topics into this one. :\ Especially when it was you who showed such negativity over that thread. I'd like to keep this topic on track.

I only speak the truth

[Ashkendor]

I wish the other jobs had job-specific mounts. Why give Tanks incentives such as special mounts? To have them in a queue? Trust me, it doesn't make the queue any nicer. All jobs should get it.

So that people that have tanks will actually play them. Why should we get incentive to play DPS instead? There's more than enough DPS out there. What the queue (and even party finder) pretty much always hurts for is tanks and healers. It's a way to reward dedicated tanks for being such. Don't get me wrong, I think that having endgame content only count toward the mount is kind of silly. Having duties like the relic reborn trials and such count toward it would help, even if the total amount of duties you needed for the achievement was raised.

This seemed a bit perplexing to me too. I think it might be a consequence of WHMs not really gaining any new mechanics when slapping on their soul crystal.

The only thing I can think of is that CNJ was the only healing class upon release, so added incentive was given to play one. SCH only becomes at healer at level 30, and I don't even think Arcanist was a thing back then.

This and from what I gathered from other threads. Tanks are considered prima donna aholes that hold everyone hostage in dungeons so they can get gear and threaten parties to leave and tell them good luck finding another tank if they don't get their way. I guess people don't want that label either so they stay away from tanking.

You took that entire thing way too personally. It's a stereotype, not a written in stone truth. Dragoons are often stereotyped as hopeless amateurs that spend more time on the floor than fighting the boss. Do I think that applies to all Dragoons? Hell no. In fact, I know some very skilled ones. Have I met some like that? Absolutely, but I've met plenty of derpy people from every class. Nobody's saying that the 'diva tank' stereotype applies to every single tank out there, but "tank entitlement" is a real thing. The fact of the matter is that a tank is way more likely to attempt to hold a group hostage in order to get their way than a DPS is. I mean, it'd be laughable if a DPS tried it (I've seen it, it really is). DPS ragequits halfway through the dungeon? Who cares, there's 85 more of them in the queue. If a tank does it, it really can leave groups waiting for 20 minutes for a new one.

In any case, I'm not even really sure why you brought that up here. It should've been left in the other thread where it belongs instead of derailing this guy's thread when he's making a suggestion to improve the tanking achievements.

[Grimmel]

I only speak the truth

As I said; please don't bring other threads topics in here unless it contributes towards this topic. :\ Not everyone see's tanks as what you say in fact a lot of us are trying to help the tanks be more appreciated. So please don't bring your negative experiences in here when I'm trying to help get more people to take up tanking.

[Eye_Gore]

As I said; please don't bring other threads topics in here unless it contributes towards this topic. :\ Not everyone see's tanks as what you say in fact a lot of us are trying to help the tanks be more appreciated. So please don't bring your negative experiences in here when I'm trying to help get more people to take up tanking.

Um yeah I wasn't the one saying that about tanks. I was defending them, as I am one if it wasn't noticed. Also I was expanding on a comment that is a part of this thread that was detailing why there are not many tanks. As it appears there are other reasons why there are not many. Again it wasn't me talking smack about tanks, just an observation I have made on other peoples attitudes towards tanks.

[Grimmel]

Um yeah I wasn't the one saying that about tanks. I was defending them, as I am one if it wasn't noticed. Also I was expanding on a comment that is a part of this thread that was detailing why there are not many tanks. As it appears there are other reasons why there are not many. Again it wasn't me talking smack about tanks, just an observation I have made on other peoples attitudes towards tanks.

This thread isn't about why people don't tank. It's about changing the current tanking achievements to give people incentive to level tanks.

[Zfz]

The tank mount reward is like a government subsidy for having a baby. The point was to encourage having babies, so not all family should get it. It is like the missing role bonus for roulettes.

So it doesn't actually make sense to give everyone a mount if the aim was to relieve queue time. However, it can be argued that the mount reward itself is ineffective and there should be other measures to get more people to play tanks, in which case, then, it is correct to say that everyone should have a mount reward.

[Ophie-Mio]

Mounts have nothing to do with leveling tanks. >_> I want the lion but I sure as hell don't think that a lion is enough of an incentive to play a boring thankless job like tank.

Leveling is a chore because even though I queue quickly, only a hand full of people I queue with end up being cool. The rest are made up of people that love to run ahead and face pull. <_< Like I'm not pulling fast enough when I go to the next mob with two trailing. Then, after I'm done leveling with the scum of DF, I gotta go into coils and extremes and tank for people who make a game of "Let's see who can pull hate."

Mounts aren't an incentive to deal with that. Changing how tank is played will pull people into it. Changing the attitudes of people towards tanks and tanks who are privileged assholes will more positively affect the tank numbers than a mount ever will.

Also, yes, the mounts were like subsidies but with the roulette bonuses and easy queue times...isn't that enough of a bonus without also needing two unique mounts for each job? Healers get roulette bonuses too and are highly sought after. Where are the unique mounts for both WHM and SCH? I'm aware that WHM already gets the mount but it ends up being a base for the other horses... Unique model, please!

So yeah, with mounts not really being an incentive, they should open it up so that all jobs get one.

[Ashkendor]

Mounts aren't an incentive to deal with that. Changing how tank is played will pull people into it. Changing the attitudes of people towards tanks and tanks who are privileged assholes will more positively affect the tank numbers than a mount ever will.

Nah. It doesn't matter how awesome DRK is. The vast majority of DRK mains are going to be people that already play tanks. I say the vast majority because there will always be a few fanboys/girls that are waiting for the class. It really does take a certain kind of person to main a tank. That's not a good thing or a bad thing, it's just a thing. In most cases, it's not even the gameplay that turns people off to it (our two current tank classes are worlds apart in gameplay) but rather the perceived responsibility. You're the de facto leader. You go in first, take all the hits, and have ultimate trust in the healer to keep you standing. It can be stressful as hell when you're first learning. If a DPS messes up his rotation, stuff dies a little more slowly which isn't really all that apparent unless you're under an actual DPS check. If a tank messes up in holding hate or positioning the boss, it's a lot more obvious. In addition your damage is subpar, and we all know that people love to do damage. There's no big numbers to go with it, unless you like comparing HP with people or playing hate-pong with other tanks in 24 man instances.

As far as how tanks act and people's attitudes towards tanks, there's not much that can be done to change that. Some people are just assholes. For every tank that acts like a spoiled brat, there's one that plays the role because they genuinely enjoy it. For every person that abuses a tank for the slighest mishap, there's one that's just glad to have a halfway decent one queue up so they can get into an instance and hopefully muddle their way through it.