The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[Thayos]

There is no such things an an early pull (also confirmed by GM)

This isn't true.

The GM said that according to the ToS, marks can be pulled the moment they spawn.

However, that's completely irrelevant to what a large number of players -- most likely the majority -- regard as and commonly refer to as "early pulls."

Even the GM said he appreciates it when players wait for others and don't pull early.

So, yes... early pulling IS real. It's just not against the rules.

Thayos, you're arguing semantics and words with me

I think it's you who is getting hung up on semantics. What you should be saying is simply, "Early pulling isn't defined in the ToS or against the rules, as confirmed by a GM." But to say it's not real because it's not defined in the ToS is a very flawed leap.

"Early pulling" ultimately equates to a kind of behavior that many people find rude. I can think of countless real-world examples of similar behaviors that different people find tolerable to varying degrees. Another great example is talking on your cell phone while riding the bus. Some people aren't bothered by this at all, and they may even do it themselves because it's within their rights to do so. However, most people are bothered by this. Some people are bothered by people who talk very loudly, while others are bothered by people who talk less loudly. The variances don't change the fact that talking on cell phones while riding the bus is generally a social no-no. It's also a shared social phenomenon that most people have encountered, making it real.

Early pulling isn't "real" because of the ToS... it's real because of the shared reality of players in the game. It's a social thing. It's VERY real. It's just not against the rules or against the ToS, as confirmed by a GM.

And I really like this passage about what the GM said in that older thread:

The point being made was that there is no recourse for early pulling. You can report til the cows come home but no gm will ever act against an individual based on early pulling. It's not against any rule SE made. They can however act on reports of excessive anger responses to early pulling.

This is 100 percent accurate, and to say otherwise is to cherry pick the GM's words (and then add further meaning that never existed).

I don't understand though why some people here are so hell-bent on saying early pulling isn't real, when it so clearly is real? What you people SHOULD be focusing on is that early pulling isn't against the ToS. It shouldn't even matter to you that early pulling is real, because you're free to do it anyway!