Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
Even if you used HQ materials, if you got only one good condition the entire craft, it ain't happening. And you're making a weapon at this point, where it s HQ or gtfo unless its for glamour (which probably is, 110 weapons have lower weapon damage which is the best stat for most classes).

That being said, it's really based on what cards you're dealt with. If you haven't gotten any TotT procs, the increased CP cost is going to hurt you in the long run that an extra tick of CZ won't save you. Not to mention manipulation will compete with other cross skills when you're BSM and LTW.

If in the golden world where I cap my CP before using my second CZ, I'd just pop a basic touch with SHII active.
All HQ mats starts you at ~1500 quality, that's a huge jump. 1 ToT proc is enough to get you a Mani and a MMII, that's 13 tries to land two RS and as many hasties as you can, although it does mean skipping the Innovation at the end. Just landing 8 HT is enough to get you up over 50%. And like I said, spiritbond it if you NQ, or find someone who will.

And like I said above, MMII if SHII wears on 10/20 durability, which it will if you only have 1 ToT proc, either as the first durability gain or the 2nd, so the CP loss would be a moot point.

What extra skill do you have instead of INGII, Reclaim?