Manipulation vs MMII

[Mishini_Dracoto]

I just did a bunch of goldsmith synths, and found myself using 2 manipulations instead of a master's mend II quite often.

Positives:

• it's an extra step, an extra shot at ToT, chance to extend the synth to get in a 3rd CZ
• it's versatile, you don't need to be at 10/20 durability, which can save a step of SHII
• it can keep you from capping out CP if you get a lot of ToT procs early

Negative:

• it costs 16 more CP

When I had SHII wear off at 10/20 durability, I would use MMII. But since I don't need reclaim anymore, I'm putting Manipulation in its spot. Just something to think about for my fellow crafters.

Really, it's a 16 tp cost, for a 25% to get an extra 4 CP. or a 75% to just lose 16TP.

Unless you are trying to rack up your total step count, I don't really see this as advantageous. If you've been getting lucky with RNG, then great.

I suppose if you are like me, don't don't want to waste SH2 actions, thereby optimizing your CP spent on SH, then for example you use SH2, ToT, HT, TOT, HT, TOT, You are still @ 60 Durability, and no SH2. So you could pop Manipulation, and keep going. I can see how this would be a smart strategy early on in the synth. (Because in order for it to be applicable, you've already gotten a lot of Good procs, and are full on CP anyway or close to, so the CP cost it also protecting you from wasting further good procs)

Interesting. I'll give this some more thought. The more I think about my argument the more I agree with you lol. I wouldn't say as a set rotation, but as I said, aespecially early on in the since if you are blessed with lots of good procs.

[StouterTaru]

Really, it's a 16 tp cost, for a 25% to get an extra 4 CP. or a 75% to just lose 16TP.

Unless you are trying to rack up your total step count, I don't really see this as advantageous. If you've been getting lucky with RNG, then great.

It's also one less step you need to get that 3rd CZ, one extra step of SHII (using it between SHII up time instead of MMII in the middle), and if you have 3 ToT procs by the time you reach 60 durability you are either using Basic Touch or capped on CP.