Abuse/Vote-kick in CM

[ChameleonMS]

No I linked the correct one. Thanks for continuously showing that you are uneducated and cannot form or understand a proper argument. You really should read the one I linked, might learn something.

Ah, a discrete mathematics argument.
Your position: If "player is under-geared" then "Vote to Kick for Harassment is justified" would be your argument.
Since this your argument is based on player Hassassing you: Let's go to the definition again to see if your proof can stand up.
Harassment

Harassment (/h?'ræsm?nt/ or /'hær?sm?nt/) covers a wide range of behaviours of an offensive nature. It is commonly understood as behaviour intended to disturb or upset, and it is characteristically repetitive. In the legal sense, it is intentional behaviour which is found threatening or disturbing.

Based upon the definition you must feel either disturb or threatened by the player being under-geared.
Are you threatened by the player being under-geared? This would not be possible as the player being under-geared has no effect on your health.
Therefore, you must be disturbed by the player being under-geared.

The legal system is based on upon precedent and the collective accepted judgements of the populous for behaviour determine the societal stance on every issue.

We need a poll (err... Jury) to determine if your feelings of being disturbed are justified as acceptable to populous at large. This is required, as it is the foundation of your argument.

Currently posting in your favour: you, +3 likes your comments, and MrsFluffyButt, ScarletDawn.
Currently not in your favour: Me (ChameleonMS), Gralna, Raela, Ignnis, Dererk, Nestama, monochromicorn, Amelia_Pond_Behemoth, KitanaiKoneko, Eltaire, VanilleFang, Ariyn, Delta041, Chihaya, Zedd702, LunaHoshino, Sapphic, Deculture, Coldheart
I have omitted the likes on comments not in your favour because I cannot guarantee they did not originate from a person that was not already counted.

Your votes: 6
Votes against: 19
Thus, after 25 votes tallied, more than 67% believe you are wrong. While the sample size is not large enough for true conclusion, the trend is very much in favour an an overwhelming majority against your position.
Thus, you can not legally feel disturbed by the player being under-geared. Therefore, you argument has no merit.

[Wintersandman]

Win.

Shortened.

[Ellatrix]

stuff

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2358628

I'm right, you're wrong.

[Zedd702]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2358628

I'm wrong, you're right.

There fixt that for ya.

Try reading the GM's actual response while shelving your "selective reading frames."

And you will see that he refers to refusal of doing your job, not that wearing the minimum required ilvl gear in an instance to spirit-bond is a practice of such.

You really need to lern2reed.

[Chihaya]

lern2reed.

I lawl'd, does it make you feel cool typing that.

[ChameleonMS]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2358628

However, there is one topic in this thread that seems to be an underlying point of contention: reasons for dismissal that are not strictly "AFK", "Offline", "Harassment", or "Cheating". I would like to address this. The response from the GM touched on this, although it was missed due to the focus on the first part of that sentence. The reasons for dismissal are not all encompassing, which means that there may be valid reasons for dismissal outside of those four examples.

I do stand corrected that you must meet one of the four criteria explicitly. And, I thank you for the information.

Because of these subjective discrepancies, the final decision on if a violation of the use of the vote dismiss feature is left to a GM after an investigation. In general, abuse of the vote dismiss feature is considered to be a grief tactics violation, which falls under section 3.2 in the Final Fantasy XIV User Agreement. However, it is only after a GM investigation that it can be determined to be a violation of the rules. If you feel that the vote dismiss feature has been abused, please do report it to the GMs through the Help Desk in game, and we will investigate.

You are not right but neither are you wrong at this point as no GM has done a formal investigation to decide the matter once and for all. Thus, neither of us is right or wrong at this point we just have a difference of opinion. Your is opinion is cantankerous to general populous but that does make it wrong (at this point). Therefore, we must agree to disagree and leave it at that.

[Zedd702]

You are not right but neither are you wrong at this point as no GM has done a formal investigation to decide the matter once and for all. Thus, neither of us is right or wrong at this point we just have a difference of opinion. Your is opinion is cantankerous to general populous but that does make it wrong (at this point). Therefore, we must agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Actually, I'm gonna chime in on something I failed to mention a few pages back.

I do recall getting dismissed from a team, not once, but twice (same team rejoined in progress) for my gear on my warrior. Note this was when I made it all the way to Fenrir, SR as they requested with no issue holding hate or dodging AoE's in snowcloak and was dismissed by a team of french guys who started off speaking english, but then spoke french the rest of the way, while I could make out key words like "coup de pied" and "loltank" I tried to think nothing of it until the kick came at Fenrir's doorstep.

Last thing I read was "bye bye tank lol" when I rejoined in progress I was told by one member that he voted me off cause I still had on ilvl90 boots (although my average was 104, but this was just an excuse he used to roll on gear after defeating Fenrir).

Anyhoo, I filed a report for such and labeled it under harassment. When the GM came, which was relatively quick, he quickly informed me that this is not harassment, but rather what they did fell under "grieving" and as such he continued to elaborate what I did was not incorrect and I should not have been voted off the team as long as I met the requirements and not hindering the team personally. That is why I strongly stand by that vote kicking someone because they are not over geared or you think they have better, when they meet ilevel requirements of the instance and is doing their job (healing/tanking/dpsing) is indeed kick abuse.

[ChameleonMS]

I filed a report for such and labeled it under harassment. When the GM came, which was relatively quick, he quickly informed me that this is not harassment, but rather what they did fell under "grieving" and as such he continued to elaborate what I did was not incorrect and I should not have been voted off the team as long as I met the requirements and not hindering the team personally. That is why I strongly stand by that vote kicking someone because they are not over geared or you think they have better, when they meet ilevel requirements of the instance and is doing their job (healing/tanking/dpsing) is indeed kick abuse.

There we have it, a GM ruling.

I'm right, you're wrong.

Therefore, you are now conclusively wrong.

[Ellatrix]

There we have it, a GM ruling.

Therefore, you are now conclusively wrong.

Part of GM's job is to placate crybabies. They do not tell you the results of their investigation or any actions they take.

Number of people I've vote kicked for various reasons, including being bad or wearing the wrong gear: alot
Number of times they cried to GM: probably more than a few times
Number of times a GM has warned me about vote kick abuse: zero

Remember, it takes more than just 1 person to have a vote kick go through.

[ChameleonMS]

Part of GM's job is to placate crybabies. They do not tell you the results of their investigation or any actions they take.

Number of people I've vote kicked for various reasons, including being bad or wearing the wrong gear: alot
Number of times they cried to GM: probably more than a few times
Number of times a GM has warned me about vote kick abuse: zero

Remember, it takes more than just 1 person to have a vote kick go through.

Getting away with abuse does not make it right.

** remove previous personal statements that were uncalled for... My apologies.