Abuse/Vote-kick in CM

[Chihaya]

I dislike people SBing in dungeons to the point that I have posted to disable SB in duties multiple times, but I will put up with it most of the time as long its appropriate.

Crafter/Gatherer gears are not - neither is having your whole right side with meteor rings and Increase Spiritbond accessories.

[Ellatrix]

And which of the "dismiss-able" reason does wearing "inferior" gear violate?
AFK - definitely not, the person is playing
Offline - definitely not, the person is playing
Harassment - a weak maybe at best. definition of Harassment: "the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands." The spirit of the rule is define an abusive action being inflicted.
Cheating - definitely not.

Thus, kicking someone for wearing "inferior" gear is definitely abusing the system.

Everything can fall under 'harassment'. There is only one abuse case - to explicitly want to deny that person loot so you kick them. Everything else, if the majority of the party doesn't want you there, well too bad! Maybe you shouldn't have been doing whatever you were doing that got you kicked.

[Zedd702]

Everything can fall under 'harassment'.

LOL @this comment.

Please explain how wearing class/dungeon ilvl req appropriate gear is by any means harassment?

I'd really like to hear this... *continues to eat lunch and waits the reply*

EDIT: Oh and before you reply Ellatrix, keep in mind that this is not about coils/raids, but dungeons...

[LunaHoshino]

My FC all decided to do some SBing when we ran a friend through Prae the other day. Even with almost all of us having 3-4 pieces (or more) of level-appropriate SB gear on, the dungeon was still a complete faceroll.

The only time SBing will actually affect your performance is a) if you're wearing crafting gear, which you shouldn't be, or b) you're wearing gear that's too low a level to SB properly in the dungeon. In order for it to SB at a decent rate in CM and Prae, you need to be wearing gear that's lvl 46-50. That's level-appropriate gear for those dungeons. CM and Prae are MEANT to be run by fresh 50s in lvl 45-50 gear. Anything higher than that is technically being overgeared.

[Ellatrix]

LOL @this comment.

Please explain how wearing class/dungeon ilvl req appropriate gear is by any means harassment?

I'd really like to hear this... *continues to eat lunch and waits the reply*

EDIT: Oh and before you reply Ellatrix, keep in mind that this is not about coils/raids, but dungeons...

You are making a decision to slow the run down to benefit yourself at the expense of others. That's a pretty clear cut case of justified vote kick.

You are not entitled to do whatever you want in a group setting, where your actions affect others. This is exactly what vote kick is for.

[LunaHoshino]

You are making a decision to slow the run down to benefit yourself at the expense of others. That's a pretty clear cut case of justified vote kick.

You are not entitled to do whatever you want in a group setting, where your actions affect others. This is exactly what vote kick is for.

So by your logic, all fresh 50s in level-appropriate gear should also be booted for slowing down the run. No new players allowed, i120 or bust.

[Sapphic]

You are making a decision to slow the run down to benefit yourself at the expense of others. That's a pretty clear cut case of justified vote kick.

"Although we understand the impact that is caused after being removed from a duty finder group, please be aware that Game Masters will be unable to take action if a group member has been removed due to a player dispute, or if their game style differs (i.e. skipping in-game cutscenes, disagreement on using specific boss encounter tactics etc).
To avoid such incidents in the future, we would advise to speak with either the group leader or fellow party members when joining a new group to discuss any specific party restrictions that need to be addressed (i.e. any loot priorities, allowing group members to watch cutscenes etc)."

Think thats the relevant quote. If rest of the party request the other to change to relevant gear and they refuse then it is a justifiable use of the vote-kick function.

[Ellatrix]

So by your logic, all fresh 50s in level-appropriate gear should also be booted for slowing down the run. No new players allowed, i120 or bust.

People really need to stop using the word "logic" when they have no idea how to apply it. Educate yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propositional_logic

Also no, a new player is not making the decision to slow down the run by downgrading their gear because they have nothing better to use.

[LunaHoshino]

People really need to stop using the word "logic" when they have no idea how to apply it. Educate yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propositional_logic

Also no, a new player is not making the decision to slow down the run by downgrading their gear because they have nothing better to use.

But they are still using gear of a low ilvl. Therefore, someone else using gear of a low ilvl is performing exactly the same as a new player. They are not "slowing down a run" by wearing gear of a level that the dungeon is MEANT to be run in. There is no rule that says that "if you have i120 gear you must wear that gear in all dungeons." Heck, some people enjoy the challenge of running a dungeon as it was meant to be run instead of just steamrolling it.

I get that you're butthurt that you can't speedrun everything, but deal with it. Sometimes you actually do get new players in main story dungeons.

[Deculture]

I have no problems with new players using low level gear since they have nothing better to use. On the other hand, non-new players making the decision to slow down an entire group's run by selfishly spiritbinding in low level gear has earned more than a few votekicks from me during my daily scenario roulettes. I haven't had one fail yet so I'm under the impression that the general populace is tired of seeing this shit just as much as I am.