Abuse/Vote-kick in CM

[Nestama]

How can you be gimping the group in a level 50 dungeon if you're still healing or dealing damage expected for an i50-60 player?

[monochromicorn]

As long as it is class appropriate, there isn't anything wrong. SE even made a chang to SB that made it so lv appropriate gear sb's faster. This goes directly with what they wanted. Just because you think it's "gimping" the group doesn't mean it actually is. "Oh my god, it take 5 seconds longer to kill this, let's get mad!"

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

Wasn't the whole point of the recent spiritbonding change so that you can only spiritbond in level appropriate areas? I see no problem with this. My stance on it though is use job appropriate gear during trash, then switch out to your best gear for bosses.

[KitanaiKoneko]

How can you be gimping the group in a level 50 dungeon if you're still healing or dealing damage expected for an i50-60 player?

Or even better, if its full i55 crafted (and a crafted weapon) that match your job, how will they even know if you're spiritbonding, or just a new player?

[Eltaire]

I saw someone in CM with level 10 crafting gear on. They died at the first pull. I decided not to revive them at all through the run, because you shouldn't be spirit bonding crafting gear in a battle situation. I have no problem if someone is spirit bonding battle gear, unless they are not pulling their weight, and dying on the pulls.

In the situation where one is spirit bonding crafting gear I feel it is appropriate to Vote Kick someone, because they are basically the equivalent of being AFK if they are being carried through the Duty.

[ChameleonMS]

If I see someone SB on my time, I tell them to change gear or get kicked. Go SB at Urth's, don't waste my time in a dungeon.

No, it isn't vote kick abuse. You're abusing the group by intentionally gimping yourself.

And which of the "dismiss-able" reason does wearing "inferior" gear violate?
AFK - definitely not, the person is playing
Offline - definitely not, the person is playing
Harassment - a weak maybe at best. definition of Harassment: "the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands." The spirit of the rule is define an abusive action being inflicted.
Cheating - definitely not.

Thus, kicking someone for wearing "inferior" gear is definitely abusing the system.

[VanilleFang]

So every new player that uses the DF to do this dungeon needs to be kicked then? Since most join with quest gear and i for one craft my own gear which i do HQ. And no i do not gimp the group, there's always ALOT more too OP for this dungeon.

That's completely different. They are new, you are not. You are going into DF, you are going to get all kinds of different people. But to sit here and try and sell to us that you are getting abused because people don't want to deal with your SBing ass (sorry, but I have never seen anyone SB get kick JUST because they are SBing equipment of their job) and then acting as if its the same as someone new to the run is laughable. You are using the group to further your crafting, without asking if its okay (which is dickish, but fine), and I can tell you right now 75% of players who are in late game content can easily tell if someone is new and someone who is just there to SB their equips.

The only SBers I have seen get kicked are those who don't do their job and/or are equipped with crafting gear. If you are doing your job, DPSing/Healing then most people won't care. If you are just jumping around and doing nothing then they will kick you. People don't like dealing with other players who 100% disregard the rest of the group. If you are doing what you should be doing, then fine, but I have a hard time believing that if this "abuse" and kicking has become a problem for you.

[Ariyn]

You gimp the group, which keep in mind, is a public group. Of course people have the right to be ticked off with you, their not the ones in the 'wrong' (your not in the wrong, but your not the best). I disagree with the abusing of other players, but the vote kicking sounds perfectly fair. If you want a group which caters to your specific needs, use the PF or create a pre-made group by other means.

Lol @ this comment. Dungeons don't 'require' BiS gear to complete. Most of us that did these when current were no where near the current ilvl and still managed just fine without them. If you need gear to carry you that much then maybe you should be looking more towards your level of skill rather than someone else's ilvl.

So long as the gear the person is using is a) for their current role and b) of the appropriate level (which I Sb'd tons of gear in DF in 2.0 using crafted lvl 48/49 gear even as a tank as did so many others) then there is no issue. Could they do more dmg/healing? Yes of course. Is it needed? Not even close

[ScarletDawn]

SB in a duty without asking is kinda being a jerk, you should always ask first, sure you don't need BiS gear to clear many dungeons but it makes the runs smoother and faster for most. And besides what is wrong with fates grinding while SBing? No one will care if your in crafting gear.

Also if you tank while SB and pull large groups, think of the healer cause they will be the first to kick you. And yes i have had tanks pull large groups wearing crafting jewelry only to be paper thin and die pretty quick.

[Delta041]

Do you even fully finish an SB in CM? It seems so inefficient compared to Urths or T4.