Make relics the best weapons 100% time

[Seidaku]

I think relics should be the best weapons also, the final upgrade for the weapon should come from the final raid boss also.
After a new raid tier is released you can make the final upgrade item become available from another source as well for catch up.

[Synestr]

This is not necessarily so given that runs can be bought. While it would cause the people carrying the one person through to be skilled, it would not necessarily cause the person be carried to be so. And yet, this player still has the rewards for doing something that you describe as skill based.

I see your point however said person does not possess said skill. Yes they would have the rewards, but they would still lack the necessary tools to repeat the feat, unless they are super rich and buy multi-runs. Point being, without purchasing carries, most endgame requires skill, not just showing up.

[Yukiko]

If you don't raid, then why the heck do you want the most powerful weapons? I never could make any sense of this.

Why do you need for them to be 'the best'?

Its a shame how you treat fellow adventurers...

As adventurers we face danger every day, it is normal to seek for more protection to lighten the daily danger in our life. Some of those are life-threatening and we have to overcome many obstacles to survive evil beeings. I no longer admire you if you can beat everything and having the best gear possible when you think of others like trash! There is a different between beeing a common adventurer and a HERO, you will protect the innocent and help the weak - i do not see that in your comments. While it may be true, that "only the best" can make full use of those weapons, does that make the weapon less helpful for others? Adventurers do not start fights unprepared, but to beat dragons with a frying pan makes no sense at all. So why only those who survived the wilderness are allowed to whield swords?

[Magis]

Its a shame how you treat fellow adventurers...

As adventurers we face danger every day, it is normal to seek for more protection to lighten the daily danger in our life. Some of those are life-threatening and we have to overcome many obstacles to survive evil beeings. I no longer admire you if you can beat everything and having the best gear possible when you think of others like trash! There is a different between beeing a common adventurer and a HERO, you will protect the innocent and help the weak - i do not see that in your comments. While it may be true, that "only the best" can make full use of those weapons, does that make the weapon less helpful for others? Adventurers do not start fights unprepared, but to beat dragons with a frying pan makes no sense at all. So why only those who survived the wilderness are allowed to whield swords?

First, lol life-threatening? In the open-world? Ha.

Second, your implying you do not get gear (or something? The roleplaying style of the post is hard to follow), which is of course bogus since the gear is at most 10ilvls below. This isn't about not-getting gear for the hardest content, this is about getting the best weapon in the game.

[BreathlessTao]

the problem is... the "grinding" way isn't really for casuals. I don't think casuals want to spend too much times doing those boring stuffs.

^ THIS. THIS THIS THIS, HELLO, DEVS PLEASE, SOMEONE IN CHARGE!!! Or someone who can shove this in someone-in-charge's face.

It's just really way too dispoportionate, the gaping abyss between the intention and the execution.

[Magis]

^ THIS. THIS THIS THIS, HELLO, DEVS PLEASE, SOMEONE IN CHARGE!!! Or someone who can shove this in someone-in-charge's face.

It's just really way too dispoportionate, the gaping abyss between the intention and the execution.

How would you implement relics then? MMOs are grind games by design, so what kind of way would satisfy you?

[BreathlessTao]

How would you implement relics then? MMOs are grind games by design, so what kind of way would satisfy you?

Something...less grindy? Obviously. Casuals do not care / do not have the time for grinding. They want to have fun in the amount of time they play, they want to progress with things. The initial quests that lead up to actually getting the relic were great: challenging, not at all easy, but actually doable without losing sleep (or all your savings) on it. I understand the need to keep old content alive, but bugger me with a broadsword, when I'm the Warrior of Light who defeated primals and got rid of the imperials, don't send me out to massacre mandragoras - only for a random chance to obtain what I need, for what's supposedly my job's legendary powerful weapon. Let those raiders who always complain about being bored and not having anything to do because of weekly lockouts anyway do that.

It's just backwards logic, the way it is now, as I see it. Problem is, the relic is the single most integral part of your job (and the most straightforward thing too, something pretty much a default for casuals, imo), so I think everyone would want to care about it, at least considering one's main job. The way it is now, it's nigh' on impossible without way too much time investment to solely focus on this one thing - in this sense, it's not any different than the current endgame raid, you spend just as much time on this as you would on that. If not more. Same thing as with Coil, it's pretty much the most integral part to ARR's storyline, and having it locked behind the "hardcore" endgame raid was what quite a lot of people really had the problem with, in my experience.


PLEASE REMOVE CHARACTER LIMIT, IT'S ANNOYING AND USELESS.

[AdamFyi]

How would you implement relics then? MMOs are grind games by design, so what kind of way would satisfy you?

A lot of people will not be able to give you a direct answer other than, "Something that isn't a mindless grind."

While I do understand that grinding is considered hardcore, it is by nature of MMOs to have large grinds that requires a lot of time to achieve - and this is what the relic quest chain has you do. It is there so you can work towards it. By removing the grind, you are essentially demolishing the effort and time required to obtain such a weapon and turn it into a mindless point-run-and-click fetch quest. If otherwise, asking for it to be a kill quest is essentially the same thing. People will complain about the trials just as they have with Titan HM on release. It's not a very good alternative as people will sell runs - thus effectively dumbing down the weapon's worth.

[Fluffya]

I agree that Relics should be the best weapons, not a full fledge drop from one boss.

The more contents added, the longer the quest for it is. If we look at all the time spend and the 30 millions gils needed for a single of those and how ugly Zodiarks are, its just make you regret it.

The Relics was a gils sink but since most ppl dislike its final stage, no one will do it anymore. Now, most would just grind the current primal for weapons or just buy a coil carry for the fraction of the cost of it.

[PArcher]

I've played with some of you "RAIDERS" some of you cant clear Shiva Ex or Ex roulettes without players like myslef (beaten shiva ex16 times now) carrying you

I'd LOVE to see someone like you carrying someone like me. 16 Shiva Ex clears is something to be proud of? Lol. I know several Raiders who farmed her for 40+ wins to get their weapon to help meet the FCoB acc cap, and I've cleared her dozens of times for weapons and the mount.
Also, claiming it takes no skill to clear FCoB when you're stuck on the easiest turn doesn't help your case.

Edit: looking at your lodestone, I'm assuming the weapons you're talking about are not on the character you have showing...after all, the i90 elfin bow is no where near as good as the i115 diamond bow