WHY DO YOU REFUSE TO LET US GET FULL HUNT CREDIT SOLO

[Krr]

I believe the system is balanced and fair already.

Whether you or anyone thinks it's "fair" or not isn't relevant. The system fails at its basic design goal (to create filler content while waiting for queues) by punishing players who try to do the content while queued.

And that design is intended for a reason. Splitting the pool of players between "Hunt" and "anything but hunt" and not letting them mix wait times creates a host of cascading negative effects in the game's atmosphere for many players - see, when you queue, you aren't just providing something for yourself. You're adding another player to the available pool of players dungeon runners can play with! So by being forced to not queue, you're making dungeons harder for everyone who wants to do them, not just you personally. Likewise, if players could enter and accept queues while also doing the hunting activity and getting serious rewards - as the design intends - there would be significantly less players at hunts, making it a better activity for everyone.

Also, the allegory to join in progress doesn't work - you get incredibly substantial rewards for your time by doing an in progress dungeon queue, especially a roulette. 100 Soldiery or 75 Poetics for half the time spent? That's practically "Full credit" for the dungeon's primary reward currency, especially in Expert roulette, where all the Poetics reward are rear-loaded.

[HakaseNyan]

Whether you or anyone thinks it's "fair" or not isn't relevant. The system fails at its basic design goal (to create filler content while waiting for queues) by punishing players who try to do the content while queued.

And that's just, like, your opinion, man. If what I, or anyone else, thinks is not relevant, then that means our reasoning is also irrelevant. Ergo, what you think about the system meeting its design goal, and reasoning behind it is irrelevant. I'm not trying to sound immature here, but if you disregard what others think and feel, then why should anyone consider anything you have to say? It's like, this whole discussion has become irrelevant.

On a side note, what about chocobos? Would leveling a chocobo be considered open world content? It's something many would like to do while queued, but cannot without being withdrawn from duty. There are a lot of variables to what you can and cannot do while solo, solo-queued, partied, and party-queued.

[Krr]

And that's just, like, your opinion, man.

That wasn't the argument at all. The point is that utility for the community's benefit > 'fairness'.

On a side note, what about chocobos? Would leveling a chocobo be considered open world content?

Yes, and last I checked, no one is arguing that you shouldn't be able to queue with your chocobo out. It's been one of the top demanded game features since release, and the only reason it hasn't been done is due to supposed complexity of network code. I see no reason why demanding the ability to hunt solo in the exact same vein is so controversial, as they're the same feature group with the same purpose - "open world content where you burn time and eventually get a reward while waiting for a queue".

[XiXiQ]

There are a lot of variables to what you can and cannot do while solo, solo-queued, partied, and party-queued.

Actually, there is practically nothing you can do while waiting on a queue, except craft some low level crap and gather some. 45 secs simply is not enough time to finish a high level craft AND change gear. You can't have your chocobo out, so there no choco leveling or solo fate/atma/alex/SBing (at least not with one hand tied behind your back), you can't join a group at all - also efficient for SB/fates/hunts. Joining the DF is for many people 30 minutes sitting around with their thumbs up their proverbial, wishing they could do some other content without risking getting pinged for withdrawing. These problems only get worse quiet times of the day or on lower population servers.

[Niwashi]

Actually, there is practically nothing you can do while waiting on a queue, except craft some low level crap and gather some. 45 secs simply is not enough time to finish a high level craft AND change gear. You can't have your chocobo out, so there no choco leveling or solo fate/atma/alex/SBing (at least not with one hand tied behind your back), you can't join a group at all - also efficient for SB/fates/hunts. Joining the DF is for many people 30 minutes sitting around with their thumbs up their proverbial, wishing they could do some other content without risking getting pinged for withdrawing. These problems only get worse quiet times of the day or on lower population servers.

This is why I think the best fix isn't any change in the hunts themselves, which are just one symptom of the overall difficulty of doing stuff while waiting on a queue. A better solution would be to change the DF so that you can change your party around while waiting, so long as you're back to the original party you queued with (a party of one if solo) when you Commence, just like we're able to change classes/jobs so long as we're back to our original one when we Commence. That would fix not only hunting, but chocobo leveling, as well as allowing groups for FATE grinding or SBing, etc.

[Cynthis]

The system fails at its basic design goal (to create filler content while waiting for queues) by punishing players who try to do the content while queued.

Completely agree with this and that you should be able to get full credit while playing solo. One way to mitigate this though is to let players join a party while in the queue, just like they should be able to use their chocobo while in a queue. Not letting people change party status when you joined a queue solo might be the worst design decision in the game.