The Great Betrayal! Part 2 SPOILER!

[EdwinLi]

We have a traitor, we have a manipulative pet, we have an end to plot armor, a casualty in the fight, and a final battle as epic as final battles can be. Boy, SE sure outdid itself on this one.

and these is even more of that in 2.5 Part 2 Main Scenario from what the Trailer has showed us.

[Delily]

We have a traitor, we have a manipulative pet, we have an end to plot armor, a casualty in the fight, and a final battle as epic as final battles can be. Boy, SE sure outdid itself on this one.

[spoiler]Of all of those, Midgardsomr seems to be the one trying to get us to stop just following orders[/spoiler]

[EdwinLi]

[spoiler]Of all of those, Midgardsomr seems to be the one trying to get us to stop just following orders[/spoiler]

Ya spoiler tag doesn't work here so us the HB /HB tags.

On topic:

We don't really know his goal but it seems he knows something we do not which could relate to Dark Hydaelyn.

Right now he appears to only remain with us to observe the situation with the battle against Ascians and the current state of the Eorzea since our character get involved in these things.

He only removed Hydaelyn's influence due to know she is absent from watching the world and right now he is mostly testing and observing the Warrior of Light to see what will he or she do now he or she is no longer "chosen" by Hydaelyn.

Also I do remember that Midgardsomr mentioned making a contract with us which is why he only appears around the Warrior of Light so we are basically bound to Midgardsomr now. However, he has no interests in controlling us but only to observe.

The Ascians also appear to have no knowledge of Midgardsomr's ability to defy Hydaelyn's influence.

I won't be surprised if the only reason the Battle of Ishgard end in our victory is because Midgardsomr told the dragons to retreat since he appears to hint that he no longer has control over the Dragons due to his current state but it is possible he may gain back enough to command the other Dragons again.

[Kyomagi]

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I agree, but the notion brought up before of our plot armor being gone i believe is incorrect. I think Midgardsomr will at some point help us giving us a huge power boost above and beyond that of the crystal. This probably happens some point after we are "taken over" briefly

I guess spoiler tags dont count at 10char

[EdwinLi]

I agree, but the notion brought up before of our plot armor being gone i believe is incorrect. I think Midgardsomr will at some point help us giving us a huge power boost above and beyond that of the crystal. This probably happens some point after we are "taken over" briefly

I guess spoiler tags dont count at 10char

Well it is a temproary state we are on now we no longer have the Blessing to give us the power to fight Ascians or any God like beings. The Blessing was the only reason why our character could do what countless others could not but now it is gone the Warriors of Light are just ordinary adventurers.

We most likely will get a new Plot Armor in 3.0 (probably very early in 3.0 story) due to needing a type of Plot Armor to allow us to fight the new Primals and to resist their influence.

Of course there is still a chance we may get the new Plot Armor in 2.5 during Battle of Ishgard as well.

and ya Tags only count as 1 character.

[JayCommon]

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My thoughts:

It seemed kind of obvious to me what Square is doing, but maybe I'm missing something?

Midgardsormr stripped the Blessing of Light away from us with what looked like, absolutely no resistance or challenge involved. Firstly, what does this mean of Hydaelyn? Are dragons that powerful, or has Hydaelyn been weakened so far that she doesn't even attempt a struggle to keep her Blessing within us?

And then, after the plot armor was taken away from us, Midgardsormr decides to "follow us just to observe". However, "observation" isn't exactly what he is doing is it? Upon leaving the Keeper of the Lake and returning back to the Rising Stones, we tell Minfilia exactly what transpired, the loss of the Blessing, and even that Midgardsormr has a vested interest in what is going on. Basically the second Midgardsormr gets a window of privacy with our Warrior, he belittles him for being a puppet.

However, I think Midgardsormr is pulling on those puppet strings himself, if you will.

He is psychologically coercing us. He is implanting the seeds into our thoughts, and I believe will continuing sowing them when the next part of the story is revealed. An observer provides no input; an observer merely observes. Couple this with Iceheart and Elidibus (that's the white robe Ascian right?) telling us for the most part that if we knew "the truth" we might not be enemies. Lucia was a bit unapproachable when the magical barrier that protects Ishgard was mentioned by Alphinaud, and basically diverts that question to be unexplained.

It looks like to me, our Warrior of Light is being primed to actually ally with the dragons and by helping them receiving some kind of Blessing from the Dragons for 3.0, instead of being opposed to them. Would love to hear other's input though as well!

[EdwinLi]

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From what I think about is happening...

The story may be leading to a plot twist with Ishgard being the antagonist of 3.0 with the Dragons being the good guys and our allies against a Ascian controlled Ishgard

If true most likely at some point in 3.0 we continue to assume Ishgard is our allies but then in a twist of plot the Pope of Ishgard reveals his true motives and turns on us while also revealing he is a ally to the Ascians. We then escape from Ishgard with the help of certain Ishgard citizens and a certain Ishgard character we already know. From there Ishgard becomes split into two factions with one loyal to the Ascians and the other fighting to take back Ishgard from the Ascians and current Pope.

During that time we are then revealed the truth about what really happened all those years ago between the Dragons and Ishgard by Mid which reveals it was Ishgard that started the war all along and the Dragons were the actual victims. From there the Dragons become our allies and we head to the Sky Continent where Mid tells us that if we wish to defeat Lahabrea and Eldibus in Ishgard we will need a new power we can only obtain from the Primals of the Sky Continent.

While we are in the Sky Continent our Ishgard allies fight in a Civil War in hopes of freeing Ishgard from Lahabrea and Eldibus control. However, in another twist of fate something else is commanding the Dragons and has prevent Mid from freeing them from its control. Turning the Civil War into a Dragon and Human loyal to Ascian vs Dragon and Human loyal to New Ishgard war

[JayCommon]

From what I think about is happening...

Very interesting speculation. I think you and I are on the same page with...

Ishgard being the antagonist in 3.0, with the corrupt Pope-figure being led by Ascians

The one thing that worries me about your scenario..

Ishgard is going to be in one hell of a predicament if they have to deal with a civil war on top of Dravanian and Dragon resistance. Even the warrior of light (or whatever our moniker for Heavensward may be) would have a tall task trying to intervene in all of these things. Should be very exciting!

[EdwinLi]

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Well it is most likely

certain members of the Dravanian and Dragon Resistance may become allies to the New Ishgard Faction which will make them into our allies. Lady Iceheart may become the leader of Dragon Resistance that joins the New Ishgard Faction which would allow them to have enough forces to deal with both Ishgarians loyal to Ascians and the Dravanian and Dragon Resistance members that do not choose to follow Lady Iceheart and Midgar while the Warrior of Light focus on gaining the new power in the Sky Continent.

Lady Iceheart may be unpredictable now but she has shown not to be loyal to the Ascians but more towards Mid and his loyal Dragons. She also has lead us to start finding the truth about Ishgard's true nature.

[Balipu]

Midgardsormr is very confusing

for starters

he has this Schrödinger's dragon thing going on with him just being dormant instead of dead, but his body being unusable

after we fight

that weird echo like manifestation of

him, he simply

shoots us and drains our blessing of light, which I first interpreted as the Echo, but seeing that we could still understand Nabriales while the late Moenbryda couldn't, suggests that it was something else

He likely had two reasons for this. First

he wants to teach us to accomplish things without relying on Hydaelin. Cute little mentor

Second

and this is me just guessing, but he needs our power to get a new body. You know, how the sahagin priest resurrected himself via the echo. The small dragon is most likely a portable vessel to his essence untill he can find a suitable body to posess

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Now that leaves us with a few small questions:

How can he do that? When will he give back our power? Is he related to Bahamut and/or the Au Ra? Who are "his people"? What song did they heare? Was he aware that the power he took away was the only thing keeping Nabriales out? What covenant was he referring to?

And this is only about the bloody dragon. Nabriales also raised his fair share of questions. Fore example

Why are some Ascians capable of posessing bodies and others can't? If Nabriales is just a bodiless ghost why isn't he a grim reaper like monster like the Ascians in 1.0? What is the plan of Elidibus if it requires Minfilia? How did he remove the Island of Baldesion and where did it go? Are all the Ascian overlords seriously working to outplan each other?