Quelling Strikes

[SpookyGhost]

T3 -> F3 -> Raging -> F1 -> Quelling -> F1 -> etc.

The DPS hit you take is minimal at best. If you trust your tank, you don't have to use Quelling - but I would recommend it for DF/PF always.

[Ooshima]

T3 -> F3 -> Raging -> F1 -> Quelling -> F1 -> etc.

The DPS hit you take is minimal at best. If you trust your tank, you don't have to use Quelling - but I would recommend it for DF/PF always.

The thing about DF is.

In a dungeon, the tank either pulls it all for you to flare it all, or pack by pack. That is the problem you will face. If your tank is bad at AoE hate control, then you won't have QS for every single pack. You're going to get eaten anyways. I've seen tanks that doesn't even hold the group at all and 2 F2 is enough to get me whacked by trash.

But if your tank is decent, you should not have issues flaring the whole street or pack by pack.

[SpookyGhost]

You can pre-pop Quelling and Raging before you start F2/Flare-ing. You can also pre-pop Quelling for bosses/primals. There's no real reason not to use Quelling with Raging at some point, it's a good safety net for bad tanks and it won't cost you any DPS time if you pre-pop it.

[Ooshima]

You can pre-pop Quelling and Raging before you start F2/Flare-ing. You can also pre-pop Quelling for bosses/primals. There's no real reason not to use Quelling with Raging at some point, it's a good safety net for bad tanks and it won't cost you any DPS time if you pre-pop it.

So? If the tank is going to pull pack by pack then QS doesn't save you anyways. Okay, maybe for that one pack before the next refresh.

Bad tank is bad anyways. An average tank can typically hold a non RS double flare. Not sure what's so difficult in holding trash though. :/

One way I deal with them is to hard cast flare then swift-flare instead of swift-flare to see if fire2 or another hard cast flare.

If that hard flare caught aggro, that swift flare would probably settled everything.

[chidarake]

cut.

seriously you cant think that is a good idea.. its so open to abuse on the tanks side, vote kicking whom you want.

[SpookyGhost]

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You only need QS for RS. I dunno what you're really saying here. If the tank is losing aggro to non-RS anything then there's nothing you can do, that's just the tank being bad.

[Synestr]

I am not sure that pre-popping of QS or RS is efficient. Wasted time and all, especially in the case of RS. I don't pop it untill after Astral Fire III is up so I get the most out of my F2's and Flares / F1's>Flare rotations. Kind of a standard DPS thing I think, maximize the up time of your buff as much as possible. I use QS a lot. I find, at times, it's easier used when you start to see that little dorito pop up next to the MOBs names...then watch is slowly turn to a gum drop.

[Defteros]

I main BLM, but I'm leveling up both WAR and PLD, so I can a bit understand both sides....

as a BLM, my Quelling Strike usage is kinda situational.
I usually look at the aggro list, whenever I'm going to use Flare (even when convert is not up), so if I see that the aggro list is "safe", I save up Quelling for another occasion.
I usually don't bother with Quelling Strikes, if I'm way overgeared compared to the tank, and there is just 1-2 mobs close to death. I'll eventually pull from the tank, put on Manawall/ward and burn them down.
I don't use Quelling Strikes either, when I see that the tank is REEEEEALLY bad, and just lose aggro every time I cast fire1.

on the Tank side, I find it hard to lose aggro from a BLM, unless he is like in full poetics gear and doesn't give a rat's ass about aggro, and I'm sitting at lv30ish gear.... I don't even bother taking the aggro back...

what I find really frustrating, are triggerhappy bards. these folks like to pull earlyer, not even bothering to wait till I use Tomahawk/Shield Lob
generally speaking, i can't stand dps with 0 vision of the other party members.
It happens, sometimes, that while I'm getting closer to a mob so that I can use Lob/Tomkahawk, I get aggroed form a near mob instead.... by the time I cast 1-2 Flash, the've already started dpsing everithing that moves.
or, even worse, people that while I'm doing my rotation on a group of mobs, they go ahead and pull to me another one. just because they're sick of doing the dungeon for the Animus book.

oh, and let's not forget Triggerhappy WHm with fluid Aura. I want to kill them all.

[Synestr]

oh, and let's not forget Triggerhappy WHm with fluid Aura. I want to kill them all.

Made me LOL....

...and that ladies and gentlemen, is a wrap!

[stoxastic]

If I'm pulling the boss as WAR, I would much prefer to use a storm combo (low enmity) first as opposed to my butcher's block combo to get maim up asap. Having quelling here can be very helpful. I can imagine a BLM pulling hate without it.