Healers tanking low level dungeons

[Zedd702]

My issue is, I don't consider him guilty of anything, nor do I consider what I did wrong.

And this is back to "the tank is supposed to tank because he's the tank and that's why they call him the tank because he tanks."


Look at the thread title and discussion up to this point. People will learn when the mobs start hitting hard enough to need a real tank, and in the noob dungeons it doesn't matter. If a tank wants to learn how to hold hate, they can learn as much from a training dummy as they can a beginner dungeon.

Sorry, but I'm gonna get this out of the way first: You literally make no sense here... I almost feel like you're the tank you should've counseled and i'm you in your prior scenario, where I should coach or help you understand why what you did was actually wrong in assuming someone elses role... Instead of helping them understand their role so that they can do their job for a more efficient and effective dungeon run...

Tanks get good through experience, you don't get that on a training dummy. The lower level dungeons are the way they are so they can get used to the role so that by the time it is key for them to do it "for reals" they're prepared. Not everyone has been playing MMOs for years or has multiple 50s, there are still people playing for the first time or playing a tank for the first time.

And people wonder why so many people don't know their roles when that attitude is out there.

YAS! Werd to Gorvi. The point I am trying to get across...

[StouterTaru]

Sorry, but I'm gonna get this out of the way first: You literally make no sense here... I almost feel like you're the tank you should've counseled and i'm you in your prior scenario, where I should coach or help you understand why what you did was actually wrong in assuming someone elses role... Instead of helping them understand their role so that they can do their job for a more efficient and effective dungeon run...

So am I also playing BLM wrong when I assume someone else's role there? Tossing Eye for Eye on the tank, or using a Physick when the healer is briefly incapacitated, or burning down an add as it spawns before the tank can establish hate, are all these things stealing someone else's role?

The more effective and efficient dungeon run isn't always one where the tank holds hate on everything 100% of the time.

I have no problem helping someone new, if they ask for help or say they are new. If they don't say so much as hello and just stand still doing nothing, it's a different story. I feel I taught him two valuable lessons about the game.

1 - don't expect strangers to stand around and wait on you while the dungeon timer expires.
2 - don't expect to get help if you don't ask for it

[Zedd702]

So am I also playing BLM wrong when I assume someone else's role there? Tossing Eye for Eye on the tank, or using a Physick when the healer is briefly incapacitated, or burning down an add as it spawns before the tank can establish hate, are all these things stealing someone else's role?

The more effective and efficient dungeon run isn't always one where the tank holds hate on everything 100% of the time.

I have no problem helping someone new, if they ask for help or say they are new. If they don't say so much as hello and just stand still doing nothing, it's a different story. I feel I taught him two valuable lessons about the game.

LOL don't get me started on the BLM assumption of roles and especially with BLM burning an add down before tank establishes hate... 9 times out of 10 the BLM pulls that hate and takes damage assuming the role of the tank. And it always leads to a tank trying to rescue the BLM that is kiting said add and nearing the brink of death, causing chaos in other directions with the rest of the hate flocking to healer cause the tank has to chase your hate, etc. Then they blame the tank or healer once they die, instead of

A. Allowing the tank to establish hate before you start chanting your Harry Potter spells
B. Running the hate to the tank, if they pull it off the tank in the first place (which happens frequently)

Again, two wrongs does not make a right, just because they did not speak or ask does not mean they do/don't need help. It does not hurt for you to ask or offer, especially where you spot area of opportunity as the seasoned/experienced player. Some players may have just gotten out of a really bad DF experience where they got their ass chewed for not knowing (when they may have just purchased the game not too long ago) and probably afraid to ask questions in fear of the same treatment...

The most that can happen is they decline your help/advice and then you can carry-on as you so please.

1 - don't expect strangers to stand around and wait on you while the dungeon timer expires.
2 - don't expect to get help if you don't ask for it

The above as far as I am concern is crap and more of your way to justify to yourself that you did the right thing. Now I see what ThirdChild was referring to with saying the following: "This is all conjecture. You're not listening to anything at this point, but merely looking for something to pick apart and use in a rebuttal."

[StouterTaru]

Maybe you don't understand what conjecture is. The main points I've made:

• Tank stood for long periods of time doing nothing
• Tank acted like he didn't know what was going on (this one kind of is)
• The trash mobs are incredibly weak, so I pulled them rather than wait on him
• Any job can tank just as well as a "tank" in the beginner dungeons
• He was a gladiator, which has no moves other than sprint to use up all TP in a low level dungeon, which I never saw him use
• I could see him at full MP, he wasn't waiting on that
• He never said anything in chat, I did
• I don't blame him or call him a bad tank
• I don't consider what I did wrong

The main points other people have made:

• This is why there are bad tanks at end game
• He could have become a good tank had I instructed him
• Only tanks are allowed to tank
• He was wrong
• There is only one acceptable way to play or else you're wrong
• If you don't instruct new people or anyone not playing that way of the right way to play, then you're wrong
• This game is like a cult

I hear exactly what you're saying, and I disagree and state my reason, or ask for your reason. The response is basically "because that's the way it is," or "because what you're doing is making bad tanks (this is conjecture, btw)." Things worked just fine my way, and for all I know the tank was happy that things turned out this way, since he never said anything (some more conjecture for you).