Healers tanking low level dungeons

[Hysterior]

just let them go and die
might take a few try but ultimately they should get the message

[StouterTaru]

Then DON'T queue DF and make a premade party... Don't try to play coy. I'm well aware of the descript in DF requirements I've done 4 WHM dungeon runs before with friends...

It's not about outside the box, it's about helping others that were apparently lost or new...

Low level duty roulette can't be done as a premade party, I was doing it for the tome bonus.

If he wanted to talk and ask questions, I would have answered his questions. But he wanted to stand there doing not moving for long periods of time, so I decided to kill some incredibly weak trash mobs while I waited on him to do something.

[Zedd702]

just let them go and die
might take a few try but ultimately they should get the message

Lol. I like this guy...

Low level duty roulette can't be done as a premade party, I was doing it for the tome bonus.

If he wanted to talk and ask questions, I would have answered his questions. But he wanted to stand there doing not moving for long periods of time, so I decided to kill some incredibly weak trash mobs while I waited on him to do something.

My point still stands. lol...

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Not until u try it my friend, not until u try it
Been doing it since 2.0 and will keep going post 3.0 ^^
Maybe my findings will pay off someday when se decides to make this game a little more in depth in stats.

Again, we're looking at a matter of just because you can doesn't mean you should. I can tank as a Bard. I could probably tank as anything, really. But if there's already a tank in the party - whether they're good or not - am I efficiently playing my role by trying to overtake them and do their job? This speed obsession really does foster all kinds of negativity in the player community, as Zedd mentioned. Sure everything may go faster, but is ANYONE actually even having fun at this point? I mean, truly think about that before firing off a defiant yes or a rebuttal. . .

As an addendum to an earlier statement, if this type of behavior keeps up, and say new/inexperienced tanks learn that they don't NEED to do their job or start expecting healers to take the lead of the party or tank beside them, and that leads to an overall decline in quality tanks, if not another tank shortage, OR in the most extreme cases causes SE to make changes to either roles that the community might not like, I say you have absolutely NO right to complain. You brought it on yourselves.

[StouterTaru]

What was your point again, that the tank is the tank, and that's why they call him the tank cause he tanks?

Or that it's the tank's job to set the pace for the dungeon, and everyone else has to put up with it, even if it means pulling a small group of mobs then standing there for 3 minutes before going to the next group?

Or that it's about someone else enjoying the game?

Or that you should explain how the game works to someone who does not communicate whatsoever?

[StouterTaru]

Again, we're looking at a matter of just because you can doesn't mean you should. I can tank as a Bard. I could probably tank as anything, really. But if there's already a tank in the party - whether they're good or not - am I efficiently playing my role by trying to overtake them and do their job?

In low level dungeons, what makes a tank a better tank than an archer? Same gear available, slightly more HP. What makes it less efficient for the group of mobs to be spread around hitting multiple people while whispering dawn regens everyone in the party?

[Zedd702]

What was your point again, that the tank is the tank, and that's why they call him the tank cause he tanks?

Or that it's the tank's job to set the pace for the dungeon, and everyone else has to put up with it, even if it means pulling a small group of mobs then standing there for 3 minutes before going to the next group?

Or that it's about someone else enjoying the game?

Or that you should explain how the game works to someone who does not communicate whatsoever?

Ha! Ok. So you want to go the sarcastic route I see...

Yes, I've made several points in this very thread, but to answer your question and refrain from replying sarcastically myself, I'll quote and add emphasis to my point:

What's the hurt in trying?????????

Take things on a case by case basis. That's what separates good players from the bad. By you not taking the chance as an experienced player, makes you just as guilty as the bad/new player...


It's not about outside the box, it's about helping others that were apparently lost or new...

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

What was your point again, that the tank is the tank, and that's why they call him the tank cause he tanks?

Or that it's the tank's job to set the pace for the dungeon, and everyone else has to put up with it, even if it means pulling a small group of mobs then standing there for 3 minutes before going to the next group?

Or that it's about someone else enjoying the game?

Or that you should explain how the game works to someone who does not communicate whatsoever?

This is all conjecture. You're not listening to anything at this point, but merely looking for something to pick apart and use in a rebuttal. So let me be blunt:

Your tank - for whatever reason, good or bad, which you didn't even KNOW - was just standing around. You previously mentioned he seemed lost. You at that point decided to bypass him and pull mobs. You are wrong for that. Whether you care or not, you - the experienced player - were wrong to selfishly make that determination and break your role.

That tank might not be bad, but by not communicating with him, you just made him bad.

[Zedd702]

Well put ThirdChild.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

In low level dungeons, what makes a tank a better tank than an archer? Same gear available, slightly more HP. What makes it less efficient for the group of mobs to be spread around hitting multiple people while whispering dawn regens everyone in the party?

Remember this in Heavensward when Astrologians and Machinists rush in and bypass Dark Knights, regardless of level. Remember these exact words.

And let there be no complaints.