Healers tanking low level dungeons

[StouterTaru]

If there is no need for one DF would not have one listed for it to trigger...

Read closer in that DF, premade parties don't have to meet the tank/healer/2dps requirements.

Just as he was welcomed to take a leading role, you were welcomed to take a stance as an experienced player and educate... but you did not.

I didn't blame him for not tanking, because the stuff hits so weak that having that green box isn't needed to tank. I'm still not seeing what is so horrible about going outside the designed cookie cutter roles for basic content.

[Zedd702]

I definitely side with the opinion of efficiency here.

I actually see this more frequently than ever it seems.
A tank stands around for a while, party members ask him to go, no responses in chat, improper use of skills, etc.

Are you honestly going to argue that you'll type entire novels of optimistic encouragement to a bad tank, only to possibly receive the reply "No English", or no reply at all, and then continue on waiting for this tank to figure out how to hold their mouse or controller while you waste tens of minutes for them to find their keyboard?

There's a point that you realize someone is incompetent, lost, afk, a bot, or whatever plethora of reasons causes a tank to just stand around for no reason in a dungeon. At this point, it is absolutely acceptable to continue on as their presence is no longer required.

Except, you are ASSUMING that this is a bad tank in question. There is a significant difference between a bad tank and a new tank. Just like there are plenty of bad healers who'd rather assume a tank role, rather than attempting to educate a new or even bad player. What's the hurt in trying?????????

No, people instead assume that the person wont listen and thus bad habits form. Take things on a case by case basis. That's what separates good players from the bad. By you not taking the chance as an experienced player, makes you just as guilty as the bad/new player...

That's what the hell was and still is wrong with most of WoW and other MMO communities...

Read closer in that DF, premade parties don't have to meet the tank/healer/2dps requirements.


I didn't blame him for not tanking, because the stuff hits so weak that having that green box isn't needed to tank. I'm still not seeing what is so horrible about going outside the designed cookie cutter roles for basic content.

Then DON'T queue DF and make a premade party... Don't try to play coy. I'm well aware of the descript in DF requirements I've done 4 WHM dungeon runs before with friends...

It's not about outside the box, it's about helping others that were apparently lost or new...

[Yumi_umi]

Read closer in that DF, premade parties don't have to meet the tank/healer/2dps requirements.


I didn't blame him for not tanking, because the stuff hits so weak that having that green box isn't needed to tank. I'm still not seeing what is so horrible about going outside the designed cookie cutter roles for basic content.

This guy gets it XD
We are expected to be the tanks in pvp ( all level qeues )
Player vs player is 10x more difficult than player vs enviro / a
So if we can deal with 4 ppl smashing our faces in then what difference does it make in low level dungeons?
Besides 80% of the enemies in low to mid dungeons can be slept / bound.

So messed up how we r allowed to dps ( get nagged at if we don't ) but not tank stuff without doubt.

Most low level enemies just auto attack and do the occasional special attack that applies poison or paralysis. Nothing major lol

[Zedd702]

This guy gets it XD
We are expected to be the tanks in pvp ( all level qeues )
Player vs player is 10x more difficult than player vs enviro / a
So if we can deal with 4 ppl smashing our faces in then what difference does it make in low level dungeons?
Besides 80% of the enemies in low to mid dungeons can be slept / bound.

So messed up how we r allowed to dps ( get nagged at if we don't ) but not tank stuff without doubt.

Most low level enemies just auto attack and do the occasional special attack that applies poison or paralysis. Nothing major lol

You don't get it... PvP and PvE are two TOTALLY different worlds... Learn both and learn your role in each universe... I am gonna quote something that I posted in another thread that was about SR tanks, because this logic also applies to your last statement about people nagging healers about DPSing, Yumi_umi...

Just as it's the call of the tank to set the pace, it's the call of the healer if they have time to heal and DPS. Keep in mind your PRIMARY role is healer, not DPS. So if someone dies because you rather DPS than heal, that's the healers fault. And if you are a healer that is uncomfortable with attacking but you'd rather utilize your cast time and MP towards your main job (healing) that is up to the healer to decide and no one should contest it. If they do, tell them to heal in your place or they should shut the hell up.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Take things on a case by case basis. That's what separates good players from the bad. By you not taking the chance as an experienced player, makes you just as guilty as the bad/new player...

Zedd wins. Flawless Victory.

That is EXACTLY what makes or breaks good parties.

Oh and to the guy who said it (I won't quote you because I felt dirty just reading it), please, PLEASE tell me how someone who doesn't speak English makes them a bad tank? You know, especially with that handy Auto-Translate function.

[Whiston]

Awfully convenient that you assume everyone here assumes the tanks is just bad without any form of communication.
Do not mistaken many of these examples as the norm where a healer queues for a dungeon to purposely tank everything.


Typical example

/p we've been standing around a while, want to pull those mobs <tank>?
/p Are you there?
/p {Hello}
/wait 15
/p Okay, we're going to go on ahead. Feel free to catch up if you find your forward button.

Zedd wins. Flawless Victory.

That is EXACTLY what makes or breaks good parties.

Oh and to the guy who said it (I won't quote you because I felt dirty just reading it), please, PLEASE tell me how someone who doesn't speak English makes them a bad tank? You know, especially with that handy Auto-Translate function.

Do not misinterpret what I said. At no point did I say you need to speak English to be a good tank.
I claimed there is no reason to type out multiple paragraphs in party chat under the assumption that the person on the receiving end either understand what you're saying, or gives a shit at all.
Why go to those extreme efforts when you can just... go

[Zedd702]

Awfully convenient that you assume everyone here assumes the tanks is just bad without any form of communication.
Do not mistaken many of these examples as the norm where a healer queues for a dungeon to purposely tank everything.

Firstly, I did not say everyone. I said you are assuming the tank in question with which you were siding with in your earlier post was a bad tank.

I don't even really feel the need to address the second sentence as that's not even remotely close to anything I said...

Why go to those extreme efforts when you can just... go

Because you should aid in bettering the community rather than being part of the blame for some really bad tanks/healers in end-game content.

Perfect example: This tank you refer to... Say you run into him during the Alexander raid content, the raid fails... but guess what, your two cents some time ago in tam tara, sastasha or w/e could've been the push/drive they needed to study their job more, instead of assuming they are doing things correctly when they are not.

My point is you are aiding the problem, instead of remedying it...

[Yumi_umi]

If u pvp during the Early days of WD.
U\\'d know how fast u get melted
as a healer.
So we all assumed healers r the "tanks".
After u play a lot of it tht mentality of oh i guess we aren\\'t that helpless after all kicks and boom.
Try it in pve low level dungeons.
Win.
Tanks tank stuff u bring stuff to tank or tank some too. Everyone wins!
Lets say 3 dps and 1 healer vs
1 tank 2 dps 1 healer set up
( both equal in skill )
Who do u think will clear things faster? Obvs the 3 dps 1 healer group. Doesn\\'t matter if emnity gets passed around cuz the enemies " only auto attack " and do a certain aoe or debuff atack tht tickles.

[Zedd702]

Yumi_umi: I've come to accept that there is no reasoning with you or your absurd methods. I will end my future responses to you with this:

It's not about faster, faster, faster... what about enjoying the game? Or even letting the newer or inexperienced people enjoy the game. This mentality that you adopt is very awkwardly elitist and me, me ,me, me, me... It's pretty distasteful imho. So from this point on I won't respond to you unless you are asking for clarification or whatnot on my posts. And no I'm not mad at you, it's just that you are on a planet we humans have yet to identify in the solar system when discussing this topic. lol

[Yumi_umi]

Not until u try it my friend, not until u try it
Been doing it since 2.0 and will keep going post 3.0 ^^
Maybe my findings will pay off someday when se decides to make this game a little more in depth in stats.