Healers tanking low level dungeons

[Yumi_umi]

Healer is doing this because the tank is slow at pulling and they want to get through the dungeon faster. Simple.

Ding ding!

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

We've been over this before, Ellatrix. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Not defending a tank who's going too slow, but there's plenty of better ways to handle that situation.

And besides. . . in leveling dungeons? Really?

[Spoekes]

Yeah, telling the tank to go afk till boss and beeing a total A-hole all over the place really sounds like the most efficient way and the player learns a lot... Are you on drugs?

[Gorvi]

Yeah, no way I'd ever do this, it just doesn't make sense. I try to help new tanks learn their jobs properly. Running ahead and being an ass helps nobody.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Thank you Zedd. I wanted to say something, but I've really just hit that point where it's simply not worth it.

My remedy, sadly, is to simply wait out the tide. Don't even bother queuing for dungeons for now while all this nonsense is going on. Might take longer, but I usually end up capping purely through Coil, and I've never cared about capping as is. Hopefully the next relic step takes people back out of dungeons. Give 'em another Novus-like step or center it around hunts.

Or hell, SE consider making Guildhests a viable alternative as has been previously suggested.

[Zedd702]

Thank you Zedd. I wanted to say something, but I've really just hit that point where it's simply not worth it.

My remedy, sadly, is to simply wait out the tide. Don't even bother queuing for dungeons for now while all this nonsense is going on. Might take longer, but I usually end up capping purely through Coil, and I've never cared about capping as is. Hopefully the next relic step takes people back out of dungeons. Give 'em another Novus-like step or center it around hunts.

Or hell, SE consider making Guildhests a viable alternative as has been previously suggested.

I completely understand, ThirdChild.

All it takes is a few bads to ruin it for everyone when it comes to DF. I mean we have the issue with lack of tanks & healers in DF, due to not enough tank/healer roles in comparison to DPS, but then you get people like Yumi_umi, who most likely came from the part of the WoW community that turned me away from the game early on, that would rather demean a new tanker and drive them to hang up FF14 instead of helping he/she learn their class TO BE more efficient/effective for higher level tanking etc. I run into and attempt it with every new tanker/healer I come across in DF, DPS is not that difficult to play (outside of optimizing DPS and meeting DPS checks in certain fights).

It is also people like her that would cry about queue times etc, but does not take into consideration of the indirect damage she does to dungeon queuing with her "I'll tell the tank to go afk," "They're useless until the boss fight," "blah blah" nonsense.

The devs have to make a delicate balance as an MMO only goes as far as players will take it. If DF dies, new players will hang the game up early and consequently SE loses revenue and affect new expansions/support for the game.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Not saying it's part of your role, Stouter, but what would've been a better idea - as the player more experienced - would've been to help point him in the right direction. Or at least communicate with him. Was he waiting for TP to restore? Did he have something going on on his end that called his attention away for a bit? You know, RL stuff? Did you know? Did you ask? Or did you simply make a selfish choice and perhaps set a bad precedent for that tank?

I might sound a bit scathing there, and that wasn't the intent. But let me just say if and when there's a tank shortage again, remember this. Remember this entire thread.

[StouterTaru]

He was a gladiator, so the only possible way to run low on TP is to use sprint, which I never saw him do. He also didn't use flash, so it wasn't an MP issue.

I was the only one in the party to use any kind of chat during the run, including telling them the last boss required killing the imps first, and that they were doing zero damage staying on the boss. I waited on pulled enough that it stretched a <20 minute dungeon well over half an hour, and if I had waited on him it likely would have taken over 45 minutes.

A different run in toto rak I had a tank that got pissy because the dps were pulling hate off him, so he had a hissy fit and stopped doing anything. We went ahead without him, and killed the first two bosses before he rejoined us with his tail between his legs. I'll take a tank shortage over being at the mercy of baby prima donnas any day.

[Yumi_umi]

Bad healer and bad player alert! If you want it to go faster, then cast Stone and Aero on the mobs if you're WHM, and Miasma and Bio if you're SCH, don't just grab every mob in the dungeon you fool.

Why not do both, tank and dps and ofc heal urself.
Not really trying to sound like the "badguy" but honestly i bet 70%+ of the player base don't really care what ppl do as long as they get the dungeons done quick and clean.
I've done this tank business in every dungeon already and know my limits and what can kill me etc.
i got lots of commendations and praise from my fellow party members cuz sometimes there just isn't a tank qeuing in progress for brayflox and someone has to do the job.
^^

[Zedd702]

Why not do both, tank and dps and ofc heal urself.
Not really trying to sound like the "badguy" but honestly i bet 70%+ of the player base don't really care what ppl do as long as they get the dungeons done quick and clean.
I've done this tank business in every dungeon already and know my limits and what can kill me etc.
i got lots of commendations and praise from my fellow party members cuz sometimes there just isn't a tank qeuing in progress for brayflox and someone has to do the job.
^^

Um perhaps you should go back to page 2 and see all the negative responses you got regarding the post the person you quoted responded to. I'm sure there you will find that alot of people rejected this practice outright...

There is absolutely no need for a tank in any a dungeon before level 30, why should he be required to take that lead, and why should everyone else wait to follow him?

He was welcome to take a leading role in the party, but he did not. The rest of the party proceeded with him in tow.

If there is no need for one DF would not have one listed for it to trigger...

Just as he was welcomed to take a leading role, you were welcomed to take a stance as an experienced player and educate... but you did not.