The Balance

[rblyell]

I'm just hoping to inspire peoples desire to have there classes more defined and feel needed. And that players who play their class well feel a better sense of accomplishment. But not have have such a huge gap that casual players feel useless because, that is most of the player base id assume.

But do continue i like reading opinions

Like all the jobs have unique play styles the fact that you, or anyone, does’t see that means you haven't really tried. Focus on learning the benefits of your character and gearing it out running some end game stuff and you will see what I mean. Until then your argument is basely.

[Suggestion]

Like all the jobs have unique play styles the fact that you, or anyone, does’t see that means you haven't really tried. Focus on learning the benefits of your character and gearing it out running some end game stuff and you will see what I mean. Until then your argument is basely.

k thanks for you input.

[Suggestion]

This is just an example but i have a friend who played Bard religiously and now he feels that bard is unnecessary. This is HIS opinion doesn't make it anymore right than another persons. One of his reasons is the fact that he doesn't get to use his songs that much. His raid group is well versed in managing there tp and mp. Along with the fact that most endgame content is played by better than the average players who are also good and managing theirs.

[Suggestion]

And i main SMN, I love it. And we all know about SMN mp issues, but srs if you can just get the hang of it you really wont have that many problems to be honest. But i take this as a challenge and be sure to conserve my mp while outputting the most damage. But hey, im not perfect. So everyone once in awhile i wish i could get a song. And boom there is suddenly a reason to use songs on bard

Lame example i know

I think there should be more of these examples so that classes can interact better and have their unique skills used.

[Catsby]

Whereas in FFXIV all jobs are viable for content as opposed to FFXI due to the system they set up this way being much easier to balance, again, compared to FFXI. I prefer it continues like this than it ending up like FFXI where so many jobs where not wanted.

I think what you mean to say is that FFXIV is over designed and forces every job to fit into a role and to be in demand. FFXI on the other hand left most of its challenges up to the player and emergent gameplay. FFXIV would definitely benefit from allowing players to be more creative with jobs center combat challenges around that rather than orange circles and tank swapping.

[Sapphic]

That's not what they said, at all.

Games that have a well developed pvp system integrated into a primarily pve game tend to have access to testing and player experiments. For instance, if you could duel in FF ARR baselines for all kinds of things could be researched, developed, and experimented with.

I'm pretty sure that's all they meant.

For PvP and PvE to work flawlessly it needs to be built from the ground with that in mind, balance the classes against each other in PvP then balance the mobs to the players. Also the greater variety in builds etc makes it more difficult to maintain balance due to the nicreased number of variables.

I think what you mean to say is that FFXIV is over designed and forces every job to fit into a role and to be in demand. FFXI on the other hand left most of its challenges up to the player and emergent gameplay. FFXIV would definitely benefit from allowing players to be more creative with jobs center combat challenges around that rather than orange circles and tank swapping.

That "emergent gameplay" you speak of was players finding optimum party set up for certain content and everyone else following along with it.

[Fadigre]

Interestingly, one of the first things Yoshi did when he took over in 1.0 was class diversity. Giving classes some unique feeling and individuality!
Back then there were no differences between a Conjurer and a Thaumaturge. Both had sufficient nukes, both had sufficient heals. Doesn't that sound crazy?
Why would you not have one tank and 7 casters?

It was giving each class a purpose that helped to interest people in each of the classes we have today!

I'm very much for it, people struggle to choose what to main between Paladin and Warrior currently because they both essentially get the same job done. You can push and shove about it all day!
Paladin has Stoneskin, Warrior has self heals, Paladin has shield blocks, Warrior has Inner Beast but at the end of the day, the jobs do the same thing and interact with other players the same way.

Surely it is the way that Bard is defined that we don't have parties lined with them instead of other DPS, especially with the way it interacts with Dragoon! Adding unique qualities to classes does not mean they will be stacked.

More definition can be dangerous but I believe the game has space for more.

[Suggestion]

Ugh Fadigre I'm trying really hard but i can't stop reading your post without a sarcastic voice in my head >.<