No More Classes?

[FranSeara]

A. I believe you that you cleared. People can clear T9 with 7 or less people now.

B. The hell are you on, dude?


There isn't a good reason other than fun or lore or being weird that you would use any class over its job.

You're just a dirty Endgamer. You hate everyone else. You don't want other players to have free will or Choice. Why you wanna kill my game and choices I've made? I dont mess with your stuff. I have a GOD GIVEN RIGHT to choice. Thank you very much.

[Kuwagami]

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oh come on we got an other strawman champion here.

what he said is that classes are useless at best and gave you the reasons why you would bring a class over a job (which is stupid after lv 30 for all except bard and BLM, and damn right stupid for all at lv50 except marauder in PvP).

Also :
=> your "choices" are a result of a relic system which could have been abandoned altogether given more time considering the fact that classes are damn straight useless. The ONLY reason classes are still here is lore.

=> if devs get rid of classes and modify the lore, you'll have nothing to say against it. Leave the game or live with it. 2 options. (not that they will do it. But imo they won't ever implement new classes again)

side note : let your god out of that thanks. The choice you have was given by devs.

[Viviza]

I've always seen classes as more of a lore thing than a mechanical thing. Classes like lancer and conjurer are reasonably common in the world, but dragoons and white mages are the stuff of heroes. It makes sense for your novice level 1 character to start with a class and eventually promote. That the job overlaps the class rather than just overwriting it makes little practical difference... with only a couple rare exceptions you take your job at level 30 and stick with it forever.

The new jobs not having a class implies that they're advanced jobs that novice adventurers, as common folk, simply do not have access to. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that. Though if they do overhaul the entire system I would be very curious to see how they go about it.

[alphagprime]

I've always seen classes as more of a lore thing than a mechanical thing. Classes like lancer and conjurer are reasonably common in the world, but dragoons and white mages are the stuff of heroes. It makes sense for your novice level 1 character to start with a class and eventually promote. That the job overlaps the class rather than just overwriting it makes little practical difference... with only a couple rare exceptions you take your job at level 30 and stick with it forever.

The new jobs not having a class implies that they're advanced jobs that novice adventurers, as common folk, simply do not have access to. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that. Though if they do overhaul the entire system I would be very curious to see how they go about it.

This is the most legitimate post I have ever read regarding the necessity for Classes in the game.

On the other hand, I don't understand why people have such a hard time understanding how "removing classes" would functionally work. Honestly, removing classes is a simple as a name change. You wouldn't even have to change the quests or story lines outside of a few minor wording changes. Some Class -> Job scenarios are actually enhanced by the lore such as Lancer -> Dragoon because of the lore of what a DRG is. However, that being said, if they did away with Classes they wouldn't have to change the name of the Lancer's Guild. The terminology doesn't change the function. "A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet."

Also, if they did away with the Class system you wouldn't get rid of the class and all its abilities to be reduced to whatever 7 skills the Jobs add. They would simply add the Jobs skills to the, what is now, the Class list and just remove the second menu. You would still have all the same skills. Its really not that complicated. From there Cross Classing would work exactly the same it does now except your cross classing would be even more restricted. Instead of having unlimited access from 1-30 you would have the same limited access you do post 30 with the job crystal. The only problem with that is for new players. Sometimes having quick and easy access to some low level abilities from other classes is really useful such as the Raging Strikes -> Blood for Blood. Blood for Blood is hard to use in solo content. Raging Strikes gives a similar buff without the downside and makes solo content for new players and low levels easier. It also requires fewer levels in ARC to get Raging Strikes than the 30+ levels that are required for Blood for Blood. There is no clear justification to allow Cross Classing Raging Strikes prior to 30 and then remove it at 30. The Job Crystals justify that change and in exchange for fewer skills you get a stat buff. If you didn't get a stat buff then why use the Job Crystal at all?

TL;DR- The Classes aren't useful, their purpose is served for the easy transition of new players and leveling new classes for vets. Removing them would only hurt low levels. Removing them would not change the way the game plays at max levels, like at all.

[Viviza]

Agreed that it could be as simple as rolling the class into the job, but they might take liberty to do more.

The cross-class systems as it stands is a little anemic. It works, yes, but it's not terribly interesting. On the other hand it's pretty easy to balance.

[rzr22]

The class/job system in this game is messy and, more importantly, pointless. Just like the crappy attribute system, the cross class system is nothing more than an illusion of choice.

They would be better off doing away with the system, IMO.

[Nama]

Class system is a broken mess, classes are a straight downgrade in almost ever aspect and are only useful in 2 situations. Soloing early lvs and Mrd in pvp. Anyone that uses a class at lv50 and us not joking around is only fooling themselves with their illusion of choice and immersion, ermagod i hate songs archer4life. Class and jobs are two systems laid on top of each other and at times is very confusing, ever try to explain how jobs work to someone brand new or that doesn't play?

Classes are an obvious holdover from 1.0 and was too engrained to remove going into 2.0. I can see why a game dev would want to remove classes, the are counter intuitive, they make balancing difficult and lower room for devs to expand the game while also giving players this illusion of choice and "freedom". Theres no doubt that classes can be removed, really the question at this point is it worth the trouble and resources to change it? People will complain things are neing taken away even if its mostly useless. Classes are pretty built into lore and quests would need alot of changes in some cases completely changed or altered to mention that player has always been x job but studying with x class. Hardly impossible changes but no one but SE knows if they want to comit time to redoing things that are done.

Path of least resistance is just mostly leave classes alone and make all future content basiclly ignore them. Then classes for most part are just to serve as a pool for jobs to cross set abilities from.

[shintashi]

Ok, so Red Mage didn't quite work because they were "ok" at both Black (Thaum) and White (Conj.) Magic. That class would work well without a Base class because it doesn't fit well into the 30/15 rubric.

Blue Mage is sort of a Variant of Red Mage:
Sword? Colored robes? Magic? Check All

Blue Mage could benefit from this Class-Free Basis.
A Blue Mage should work like a Crafter/Gatherer, like a Fisher in a Sense, by Observing/Experiencing Powers/Attacks and Recording learned Monster Powers in their "Observation Logs". These could Progress using the Desynth % and Level Tables.

Certain Fates, Dungeon Bosses, and Hunt monsters would be listed as "Green" or even "Blue" Recipes/Catches, following the Four Star System.

Blue Mage would use Actions & Traits: Additional and fill the 10 slots (1 slot/5 levels) with whatever monster powers they had learned, supplementing base Job powers (Like Scan and Stealth).

[Nama]

This isn't really a job suggestion thread.

[Ehayte]

You're just a dirty Endgamer. You hate everyone else. You don't want other players to have free will or Choice. Why you wanna kill my game and choices I've made? I dont mess with your stuff. I have a GOD GIVEN RIGHT to choice. Thank you very much.

Nice. Looking @ the time of your post - Happy New Year to you, too. Sorry I totally forgot about this tread until right now.

- Yes I play endgame. So that would mean I'm probably fairly informed about issues such as END GAME.
- I don't hate everyone else. That's ridiculous.
- I do want others to have free will and choice. That would make me happy. What I don't want is for people to think that Bard songs are useless or that Archer is as good as Bard. Because its not.
- I don't want to kill your game, I'm just telling you that by not using your soul crystal you are a putting a heavier workload on others, or you are doing content with a much higher iLVL than was intended. Foe Requiem would increase your group's DPS without decreasing your own, for example.
- You are messing with my stuff in that you are spreading idiocy in the community in which I am a participant.
- God doesn't exist, in my opinion.
- You're welcome.

Good troll, good troll.