Question regarding MNK's TP on Fcob

[Elkya95]

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Well we run a Mnk/Nin/Blm/Brd comp, and as I said only get paeon request in second phase, at which time my dps gets lowered anyway from blue fires, so I do just drop everything and paeon usually my mp out. I do paeon when the boss jumps as well if I have the mp and healers have mp, I usually get told by the war to turn it off though. And yeah I am completely starved in t10 by the end, but since no one else seems to be I don't paeon, just foe for my Blm. My paeon in t11 is also pretty long right after adds, right after the nerfs I did get asked to do it twice, but not on our next runs, so I guess people got more comfortable and we push better now.

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Oh I've "figured out" when people need paeon, t10 is after second adds and t11 the Nin asks around when adds start if I can paeon after we kill our nodes and kill the egg, at which point I paeon my mp out then save up mp for foe. Our nin has no issues with tp that he's vocal about even with alternating Goad between me and the Mnk and tanks whenever they ask for it. And yes if the tanks ask for Goad and it's not available, I do drop things to play paeon only to be told not to, don't worry I'm not heartless about my singing. And yes I did at some point know exactly when my melees needed tp back in second coil I, but I've changed statics too many times now.

[AkashiXI]

Ugh, you got to deal with blue fire? Your poor dps x.x, why can't your scholar handle it?

[Elkya95]

Ugh, you got to deal with blue fire? Your poor dps x.x, why can't your scholar handle it?

Lol, thanks for feeling my pain. I got into the static while they were doing progress in t12 and they had their healers do brand and since I was the new girl I decided not to argue. At this point I doubt they'd want to do it any other way >>

[RinchanNau]

Well we run a Mnk/Nin/Blm/Brd comp, and as I said only get paeon request in second phase, at which time my dps gets lowered anyway from blue fires, so I do just drop everything and paeon usually my mp out. I do paeon when the boss jumps as well if I have the mp and healers have mp, I usually get told by the war to turn it off though. And yeah I am completely starved in t10 by the end, but since no one else seems to be I don't paeon, just foe for my Blm. My paeon in t11 is also pretty long right after adds, right after the nerfs I did get asked to do it twice, but not on our next runs, so I guess people got more comfortable and we push better now.



Oh I've "figured out" when people need paeon, t10 is after second adds and t11 the Nin asks around when adds start if I can paeon after we kill our nodes and kill the egg, at which point I paeon my mp out then save up mp for foe. Our nin has no issues with tp that he's vocal about even with alternating Goad between me and the Mnk and tanks whenever they ask for it. And yes if the tanks ask for Goad and it's not available, I do drop things to play paeon only to be told not to, don't worry I'm not heartless about my singing. And yes I did at some point know exactly when my melees needed tp back in second coil I, but I've changed statics too many times now.

Same config here with our group. They don't appear to NEED Paeon in any fight to do excellent DPS, but I am more than happy to give them a little on the first two bosses at least. I've experimented with zero Paeon, 1/2 a bar of Paeon, and full bar. Foe's only appears best for t12/t13. On t10/t11 it can go either way depending on group config. For our config both Foe's only and 1/2 a bar for Paeon offered similar raid DPS results.

I usually use it at the time most convenient for my CDs for t10 & 11. That is roughly after I hit around 1000 MP regenerated after the opening Foe's. Might be 2 1/2 minutes in? I forget exactly. I'm sure both ways work out similarly in the end. I've even tried a full bar of Paeon, similar effect to using Paeon twice. That ended up being a raid DPS loss. Melee did not gain and me and our BLM lost. Melee actually complained that they had too much TP at the end. So really inefficient use of BRD utility.

t12 and t13 they don't want Paeon at all as it appears to be a raid DPS loss. I can see it maybe being useful if the group is pushing 5 Bennu, but for groups that push 4 there is really no need. And there are plenty of breaks in the 2nd half of the fight. Plenty of breaks in t13 too. We've found using Paeon to be a DPS loss in t13 with our config.

I do plenty of pugs on my alt as well. There I try to be more generous with Paeon as to reduce any potential bickering from people I don't know/normally play with, but the t13 I did last night with double MNK... I asked them about Paeon, and they also did not want it. We pushed into divebombs quickly enough that even without a NIN for Goad the melee did not want/need Paeon. WAR said he might lose a few DPS but not as much as the BRD + BLM gain.

Luckily this week I get to see how my TP is with the Dreadwyrm bow as it finally dropped last week. Ended up dropping 73 skill speed total last week. Looking forward to tonight.

[RinchanNau]

Lol, thanks for feeling my pain. I got into the static while they were doing progress in t12 and they had their healers do brand and since I was the new girl I decided not to argue. At this point I doubt they'd want to do it any other way >>

I do bluefire in t12 as well. It's honestly not a terribly long DPS loss. I see that the BRD will stop attacking in some groups when they do bluefire. I don't think that's necessary. Especially when pushing 4 Bennu. I'll keep pushing and minimize the loss.

[Elkya95]

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Hmm interesting, I'll try that this week too and see how it's recieved by my group. I got my bow last week too! I just dropped the skill speed from the magitek bow, but from my tests the 51 skill speed lost and and 53 crit gained did a lot to my dps. Maybe I won't be the only tp starved person at the end of t10 this week.

I'm also responsible for the bennus with the blm and do try to damage them with my 61 crits, and get blamed if they don't die fast enough if I have the debuff on for a second too much. We push 4 bennus anyway whether I attack or not, the bennu just doesn't die in time.

[RinchanNau]

Grats. Very happy that it only took 7 clears this tier. Compared to last tier where I never even got my weapon.

I don't think we've ever had the Bennu not die fast enough... hmm. Same idea though. Just the current OT, BLM, and me on Bennu.

I got TP starved every turn if I didn't hold back at times. Even with a Goad or two. Not sure that will change with the new weapon, but I can hope. Holding back when necessary has always been a more effective strategy for me than putting up Paeon at times when no other DPS will benefit.

[AkashiXI]

I do bluefire in t12 as well. It's honestly not a terribly long DPS loss. I see that the BRD will stop attacking in some groups when they do bluefire. I don't think that's necessary. Especially when pushing 4 Bennu. I'll keep pushing and minimize the loss.

the way my group does it is simple. The scholar handles the blue fire, the white mage and me (brd) handles brand. The white mage never moves during flame and I run through him to grab or pass. Final phase we have our tanks handle brand. No dps loss whatsoever

[Lavieh]

the way my group does it is simple. The scholar handles the blue fire, the white mage and me (brd) handles brand. The white mage never moves during flame and I run through him to grab or pass. Final phase we have our tanks handle brand. No dps loss whatsoever

The efficiency @_@, makes me wanna cry. Don't ruin it and tell me you have the melees handle Fountain of Fire.

[RinchanNau]

the way my group does it is simple. The scholar handles the blue fire, the white mage and me (brd) handles brand. The white mage never moves during flame and I run through him to grab or pass. Final phase we have our tanks handle brand. No dps loss whatsoever

Yea. I understand that there are better ways to handle it, and I am all for increasing my DPS. :P But at this point it doesn't matter. We aren't hitting enrage due to bluefire.

I would however note that there can be DPS loss from BRD handling brand. Makes it more difficult to use Repelling Shot and poison pots on CD. Not as great a DPS loss as handling bluefire but still a DPS loss.