Relic quest streamlined

[Sessurea]

Yeah relic wont continue into the expansion. It wouldn't fit with not need content pre expansion to make use of content post expansion thinking that se seem to be going for.

Also I think se did say the relic would come to an end one day and right before expansion seems like a neat time to wrap it up.

I also have a 125 zodiac, am I sad that others can start a new relic and not need the old one? Nope.

[Synestra]

Also I think se did say the relic would come to an end one day and right before expansion seems like a neat time to wrap it up.

Well it already has come to an end, Zodiac is not relic anymore its totally diffirent weapon. But yeah i could see SE making Relic Reborn 2.0 for Zodiac weapons in expansion, that way those who has done it already can skip next Titan HM and zenith part(2.51 adds "zenith" part for zodiac)and those who doesnt have it can skip these older parts via quest chain similiar to relic reborn. I would be totally cool with this.

[MasamuneBranford]

Someone is not selfish if they don't want to see the earlier stages nerfed. They earned their weapon. Obtaining a rare weapon / gear is part of the fun of an MMO.

If SE is going to further nerf the earlier relic stages - then it becomes hugely inefficient to ever be current with your relic weapon. Why should someone spend 200+ hours upgrading a weapon (that has never been exclusively the highest item level) if someone else can simply wait 6 months or so and do it in 10-20? The zodiac weapons rarity are their appeal. You can clear "all" of the content In the game without the most current relic. You would save hundreds of hours of time by simply staying 6 months behind and unlocking glamour models of the relic once the quests get nerfed. If the quests continue to get nerfed - then there's currently little reason to be current.

Ii feel that it is selfish for someone to think that they are entitled to a relic (and spend substantially fewer hours.)

[Reiryuu]

Someone is selfish if they don't value the needs and desires of the community as a whole before their own interests

Fixed that for ya.

[DeadRiser]

..... (that has never been exclusively the highest item level) if someone else can simply wait 6 months or so and do it in 10-20? The zodiac wea......

Ummm... because once you get that final version of the weapon (final as in at that moment in time until the next patch) you will have one of the best weapons in the game.

I have friends who are just starting final coil right now and they have an i125 weapon. As of now, there is no other way to get higher than i115 without beating the first two turns. The other "slackers" can wait 6 months but having something 10 ivls higher at the time is pretty worth it if you have been following with the quest line each patch.

Could you imagine having to farm lights again when NO ONE is doing it?

Also, some people do it for the vanity, completion, etc. Not everyone is about having the best weapon in the game, some just like vanity and what not a lot of other people have.

[MasamuneBranford]

You can beat T13 with an item level 110 weapon (the relic is not needed). "Most" people who have been grinding relic weapons right now are finishing their novus / working on nexus, while the hardcore are fully caught up. A large chunk of people spent a good 30-100 hours on atma, a good 75+ hours on animus, a good 75+ on novus, etc. The appeal of these weapons are that not everybody will have them due to the fact that a lot of work is required to earn them. That's the entire appeal. This isn't overcoming a challenge (which you can justify a nerf)...it's overcoming a grind. You don't need relics to beat T13 or any of the difficult content. You make relics easier to earn - and you kill all incentive to keep current with them.

Everyone might as well just work on their relics whenever the stages get nerfed. Why should animus and novus get nerfed when there are still countless people working on them and investing the full amount of time? A game is allowed to have missables. How many people have a Dalamud Horn from defeating Nael Van Darnus? Probably not a lot. I don't see the community in an uproar. Falling wayyyy behind on a relic is technically not a missable per se.

[Osias_Qol]

The point of the relic is to be used as a tool to bridge gaps not for looks.

A person putting in "200+" hours broken up over a few patches for multiple useful upgrades =/= to a person being forced to put in "200+" hours all in 1 go before 1 useful upgrade.

useful .... |..work..|.....useful.... |..work..|....useful.... |..work..| ....useful....

is not the same as

unusable|..work..|..work..|..work..| ....useful.....

Some compression needs to be done to help catching up so that a relic can be used as a solution instead of being 1 more problematic obstacle to overcome.

unusable|work|work|..work..| ....useful....

Just because there are some nerfs to old parts doesn't mean there is any lack of work put in before the weapon is relevant.