Relic quest streamlined

[DeadRiser]

..... (that has never been exclusively the highest item level) if someone else can simply wait 6 months or so and do it in 10-20? The zodiac wea......

Ummm... because once you get that final version of the weapon (final as in at that moment in time until the next patch) you will have one of the best weapons in the game.

I have friends who are just starting final coil right now and they have an i125 weapon. As of now, there is no other way to get higher than i115 without beating the first two turns. The other "slackers" can wait 6 months but having something 10 ivls higher at the time is pretty worth it if you have been following with the quest line each patch.

Could you imagine having to farm lights again when NO ONE is doing it?

Also, some people do it for the vanity, completion, etc. Not everyone is about having the best weapon in the game, some just like vanity and what not a lot of other people have.

[MasamuneBranford]

You can beat T13 with an item level 110 weapon (the relic is not needed). "Most" people who have been grinding relic weapons right now are finishing their novus / working on nexus, while the hardcore are fully caught up. A large chunk of people spent a good 30-100 hours on atma, a good 75+ hours on animus, a good 75+ on novus, etc. The appeal of these weapons are that not everybody will have them due to the fact that a lot of work is required to earn them. That's the entire appeal. This isn't overcoming a challenge (which you can justify a nerf)...it's overcoming a grind. You don't need relics to beat T13 or any of the difficult content. You make relics easier to earn - and you kill all incentive to keep current with them.

Everyone might as well just work on their relics whenever the stages get nerfed. Why should animus and novus get nerfed when there are still countless people working on them and investing the full amount of time? A game is allowed to have missables. How many people have a Dalamud Horn from defeating Nael Van Darnus? Probably not a lot. I don't see the community in an uproar. Falling wayyyy behind on a relic is technically not a missable per se.

[Osias_Qol]

The point of the relic is to be used as a tool to bridge gaps not for looks.

A person putting in "200+" hours broken up over a few patches for multiple useful upgrades =/= to a person being forced to put in "200+" hours all in 1 go before 1 useful upgrade.

useful .... |..work..|.....useful.... |..work..|....useful.... |..work..| ....useful....

is not the same as

unusable|..work..|..work..|..work..| ....useful.....

Some compression needs to be done to help catching up so that a relic can be used as a solution instead of being 1 more problematic obstacle to overcome.

unusable|work|work|..work..| ....useful....

Just because there are some nerfs to old parts doesn't mean there is any lack of work put in before the weapon is relevant.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

But the question people are asking is what reason does Square have to make zodiac weapons obsolete? Why pimp out the whole OMG LENGEDARY WEAPONS THAT GET MOAR POWERFUL! and then go LOL IN THE GARBAGE IT GOES CAUSE IT WON'T CARRY OVER!

If Square does do that, then people are going to ignore relic 3.0 weapons because now experience has taught them that it won't have any relevance come next expansion. The best solution that is going to happen is old relic weapons are going to be a ton easier to build up so people can quickly catch up. Square loves nerfing old content for that reason and I don't see them stopping now.

[Teslo]

If Square does do that, then people are going to ignore relic 3.0 weapons because now experience has taught them that it won't have any relevance come next expansion. The best solution that is going to happen is old relic weapons are going to be a ton easier to build up so people can quickly catch up. Square loves nerfing old content for that reason and I don't see them stopping now.

Some people will complain that the quests got nerfed.
Some people will complain that the quests didn't get nerfed.
Some people will complain that the relic carries over.
Some people will complain that the relic doesn't carry over.
Some people will complain just to complain.
Some people will still do the relic quests knowing full well it'll only take them to the end of the expansion. Then they'll do the next set. And the next. Etc...
And some people will complain that SE is forcing them to do this every damned expansion.

No matter what happens people are going to complain about it, because that's how people are. My personal preference would be that they continue the relic advancements post-expansion with the current relic weapons and streamline earlier stages so that newer players can catch up faster, as they've done with Atma. As each new stage becomes available, an old stage gets nerfed to speed up the process. I think books are fine where they are, but a price reduction would be very welcome. Instead of... what are they now, 500 Soldiery? They could be 50 each. You still have to DO the stuff in them! Alexandrite, similarly will see a reduction in price, and encounters will start giving more and more light (2 for Feeble, 4 for Gentle, etc...). I'm okay with this, and I'm almost done with Nexus. I don't mind doing the hard (Well, tedious. Nothing about the relic weapon has been hard. I'd MUCH rather see more specific content related to the relics like Chimera and Hydra) content for one weapon, but eventually I want to do all the weapons, and I don't see why I or anyone else should have to sit through all that more than once.

People complain about the tedium or "high gil cost" of relics in XIV... I'm still braced for the eventual soul crushingly long/impossible grind like XI's relics. Eventually we're going to get a step that's like "We need to melt down 10,000 Allagaan unobtainium pieces" which drop 1~2 per weekly endgame raid and all 24 people can lot need on them.

BLM LFG Dynamis Gridania!

[MrLeonheart]

BLM LFG Dynamis Gridania!

brb, vomiting up blood.

[Sessurea]

If Square does do that, then people are going to ignore relic 3.0 weapons because now experience has taught them that it won't have any relevance come next expansion

These aren't some godly bis ultra rare thing, they are the 2nd rate weaps. And if se start a new weapon, it will be identical in terms of relevance compared with current relic. I really can't understand your logic....you got your relic so you can use it NOW....you didn't get it just to unlock the next relic quest, surely.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

I never said they were godly. And they didn't seem to be 2nd rate weapons back when, for a short time, they were on par with the second coil's weapons, back when people cried that relics didn't deserve to be the best. With 2.5 coming soon and its cousin patches after, both which contain more steps for the zodiac weapons, I don't think they are going to be going into the trash come 3.0

[Thistledown]

While I never touched on the relic series and never will (have enough to occupy myself really) I think streamlining the process would be required in the future expansions.

Faster FATE respawn for animus, cheaper Alex for Novus, and more light per instance for Nexus.

Animus would still be gated by other constraints, Novus still need all the materia, and Nexus you just need less time for the same process.

That would be a nice compromise for continuing on through the expansion and still making it achievable by new people.

[DeadRiser]

I hope they nerf the shit out of light farming. Man, is that hella boring :<

And yes, I already have one weapon at nexus. No, I don't care if people can get their's faster if they nerf the whole quest line again.