[Theory] ACN removed, SMN remade

[Sapphic]

You keep saying this but how is it dropping? To my knowledge the game doesn't have diminishing returns after a set time so DoT potency should remain the same.

Because Mana, because in FCoB for example where you need to push your DPS as much as possible, SMNs will go OOM very fast due to needing to use Fester to actually try and get decent numbers, so Aetherflow for mana regen ticks is very limited compared to SCH who can sit on aetherflow stacks a lot easier. Also no AF stacks=no Fester so your DPS will drop during that time.

SMN DPS using dots and ruin spam is consistently, problem is, it's constistently low in comparison to other classes due to mana issues (albeit we will never have 100% true figures until individual dot tick damage is displayed in the combat log).

SMN could do with either a dot that drains mana to the caster, a pet HP sacrifice, sacrife xx% pets HP that converts into caster mana.

Our long term SMN changed to BLM because he knew he would be more useful as BLM in FCoB than SMN. Something that shouldn't need to happen.

[Dyvid]

Because Mana, because in FCoB for example where you need to push your DPS as much as possible, SMNs will go OOM very fast due to needing to use Fester to actually try and get decent numbers, so Aetherflow for mana regen ticks is very limited compared to SCH who can sit on aetherflow stacks a lot easier. Also no AF stacks=no Fester so your DPS will drop during that time.

SMN DPS using dots and ruin spam is consistently, problem is, it's constistently low in comparison to other classes due to mana issues (albeit we will never have 100% true figures until individual dot tick damage is displayed in the combat log).

SMN could do with either a dot that drains mana to the caster, a pet HP sacrifice, sacrife xx% pets HP that converts into caster mana.

Our long term SMN changed to BLM because he knew he would be more useful as BLM in FCoB than SMN. Something that shouldn't need to happen.

Thanks for explaining. Akiza made it sound like DoTs lost potency instead of a mana issue. I think we need gear set that is different from BLM and change Enhanced Pet Actions from 20% spell speed to 10% mp restore over 8s. The Pet Hp Siphon is a good idea too. Maybe an Enhanced Energy Siphon II or Enhanced Aetherflow.

[Akiza]

Any dps simulator will show that the longer the encounter the lower the Summoner's dps will be. There is something inherently broken with the Summoner's design.
Final Fantasy XI- Summoner's game play was fun but was useless in endgame content because it was a nerf healer and is poorly optimized
Final Fantasy XIV-Summoner's game play is boring and has become useless in high end raiding content because of broken class combination and poor optimization.

Good job SE you have successfully found two broken game play styles for the Summoner.

A good way to fix the Summoner is to take the Summoner from Final Fantasy Tactics and adapt it to this game.

[Mirron]

I'd kind of have to question that. Nothing about the Summoner in Tactics is particularly unique, it just casts really big spells. I guess it could be a DPS that focuses on AoE even more than Black Mage, but that doesn't sound very exciting at all.

[Brianmj]

Our long term SMN changed to BLM because he knew he would be more useful as BLM in FCoB than SMN. Something that shouldn't need to happen.

I'm not on FCoB yet, but why? Why switch jobs if you can already clear the fight as a Smn? And what does "useful" mean? I'm not part of a static, and what goes on in statics seem like it's another world.

[ChazNatlo]

A good way to fix the Summoner is to take the Summoner from Final Fantasy Tactics and adapt it to this game.

Been a while since I played Tactics, but I seem to recall the summoner just being an AOE nuke with some healing spells with freindly fire turned off.

[Sylve]

Been a while since I played Tactics, but I seem to recall the summoner just being an AOE nuke with some healing spells with friendly fire turned off.

You recall correctly.
Hell, the only difference between the summons was purely Elemental. Bombs on the field? Don't cast Ifrit. Weak to Lightning? Throw down Ramuh.
I don't understand why people think the Tactics Summoner would be a good thing. It'd be kinda pointless.

TO be fair to the critics though, the Summoner doesn't feel very attached to his/her Egi. Just Sic it on Target and then DoT away.
What i feel needs to happen, is for the UnAspected nature of Arcanist spells to alter Elemental and visual based on which Egi you had out, and have the Summoner cast some spells THROUGH the Egi. Like for example Shadow Flare, Have it be a raging inferno with Ifrit, an earthquake with Titan and a cyclone with Garuda.

Just my 2gil.

[Shikiseki]

You recall correctly.
Hell, the only difference between the summons was purely Elemental. Bombs on the field? Don't cast Ifrit. Weak to Lightning? Throw down Ramuh.
I don't understand why people think the Tactics Summoner would be a good thing. It'd be kinda pointless.

TO be fair to the critics though, the Summoner doesn't feel very attached to his/her Egi. Just Sic it on Target and then DoT away.
What i feel needs to happen, is for the UnAspected nature of Arcanist spells to alter Elemental and visual based on which Egi you had out, and have the Summoner cast some spells THROUGH the Egi. Like for example Shadow Flare, Have it be a raging inferno with Ifrit, an earthquake with Titan and a cyclone with Garuda.

Just my 2gil.

heck even Ultima Weapon felt more Summoner-y than our JOB >_>;

[lololink]

It's unlikely to see a full rework, but maybe if the players ask for it a lot, they could make a great summoner job that uses casts maybe à la Yuna in dissidia so that you can have full summons through animations, as a big primal pet and a ffxi style summoner is unlikely in this game.

[BigPapaSmurf]

I'd be pretty content if the Egis' animations/look were improved.