[Theory] ACN removed, SMN remade

[Delily]

That is basically what I said? I guess if you don't know how Warlock operates in WoW you might not have understood it. Yes, it is a dot class that happens to have an NPC following it around. Pets are no more than a glorified, click and forget dot.

Affliction warlock specifically. There are 2 other specs.

Actually because its green mage with pets, not an actual summoner. Dot's... really....

I'm guessing FFXIV is your frist MMO, because the summoner is not a "green mage" from the Tactics series. A mage that has a pet and casts DoT spells is a rather old archetype. To my knowledge, the first incarnation of this was Everquest's necromancer class, but I am sure if you go back to MUDs, you will find similar classes. What I find humorous is the "really" quote. There is a long discussion in the DPS forums that basically state what people want is the FFXI summoner, because summons have traditionally been short term allies (FFX, FFXII, and FFXIII) or glorified casting animations (most console RPGS). Well, if you want a FFXI summoner, go play FFXI. Classes that rely heavily on pets for damage have all sorts of fun balance and mechanics issues (like, when the pet is dead, the player is useless). Also, it was stated the designers wanted the player to be the active agent in the game, not the player's pet, so the fact that pets are secondary is intentional. I could see the summoner class be slightly reworked to be like a Demonology warlock from WoW, but people who think the developers are going to port over the FFXI summoner don't understand game design.

[Akiza]

Affliction warlock specifically. There are 2 other specs.



I'm guessing FFXIV is your frist MMO, because the summoner is not a "green mage" from the Tactics series. A mage that has a pet and casts DoT spells is a rather old archetype. To my knowledge, the first incarnation of this was Everquest's necromancer class, but I am sure if you go back to MUDs, you will find similar classes. What I find humorous is the "really" quote. There is a long discussion in the DPS forums that basically state what people want is the FFXI summoner, because summons have traditionally been short term allies (FFX, FFXII, and FFXIII) or glorified casting animations (most console RPGS). Well, if you want a FFXI summoner, go play FFXI. Classes that rely heavily on pets for damage have all sorts of fun balance and mechanics issues (like, when the pet is dead, the player is useless). Also, it was stated the designers wanted the player to be the active agent in the game, not the player's pet, so the fact that pets are secondary is intentional. I could see the summoner class be slightly reworked to be like a Demonology warlock from WoW, but people who think the developers are going to port over the FFXI summoner don't understand game design.

The Summoner already has fun balance and mechanics issues even with DoTs as the main source of damage. Summoner's are supposed to be sustained dps but we aren't our damage starts out high then sharply declines to it's minimum potential and sits there. Black Mage is more sustained then us because their damage alternates between they plateau at their max value. Monks build up there damage over time and alternate between their min and max values. Summoner is just garbage when it comes to high end game raiding right now. DoT for Summoner stands for Diminishing Over Time.

[Sparktacus]

Can people please stop spreading rumors that they are getting rid of classes, they have never once said they were going to or even hinted at it.

[Cyrusskorrey]

Keep Classes forever, and in future expansions add more.
Just because Hevensward new jobs are classless doesn't mean we cant still get more classes later
Personally i want them to finally add: Musketeer

[Sove92]

TL;DR, the Lore supports the existence of multiple Dragoons, Monks, Scholars, Summoners, Warriors, Paladins etc.

This was already explained in the Lore Panel during Fanfest. There are other ways to get access to the long forgotten jobs, but lorewise, only your character has gone through all the tasks and had a soul crystal speaking knowledge to you. In 2.3 main scenario, you even fight a PLD and a WHM, they obtained their knowledge in these other ways, just like every other player character you see and play with did.

[Sylve]

This was already explained in the Lore Panel during Fanfest. There are other ways to get access to the long forgotten jobs, but lorewise, only your character has gone through all the tasks and had a soul crystal speaking knowledge to you. In 2.3 main scenario, you even fight a PLD and a WHM, they obtained their knowledge in these other ways, just like every other player character you see and play with did.

Uhh.. Yes, thank you for agreeing with my post? My post was speaking to someone who claimed "The lore only supports 1 of any given job".

[Sove92]

Uhh.. Yes, thank you for agreeing with my post? My post was speaking to someone who claimed "The lore only supports 1 of any given job".

Was just supplementing your post.

[Sylve]

Was just supplementing your post.

Ah. I should probably refrain from making posts after stumbling out of bed.
Sorry >_>

[Dyvid]

The Summoner already has fun balance and mechanics issues even with DoTs as the main source of damage. Summoner's are supposed to be sustained dps but we aren't our damage starts out high then sharply declines to it's minimum potential and sits there. Black Mage is more sustained then us because their damage alternates between they plateau at their max value. Monks build up there damage over time and alternate between their min and max values. Summoner is just garbage when it comes to high end game raiding right now. DoT for Summoner stands for Diminishing Over Time.

You keep saying this but how is it dropping? To my knowledge the game doesn't have diminishing returns after a set time so DoT potency should remain the same.

[Mirron]

Eh, I think there are plenty of ways they could have gone with Summoner that would have kept the player engaged without winding up with what we got. I do think the comparison to Green Mage is apt as well, at least within the context of Final Fantasy. It's the closest thing we have to a pure status effect mage, or at least that seems to be the intention of it. But it's way too late to change it now.