No More Classes?

[EliseDee]

Classes were the only part of the armory system that was kept from the old game. The thing is THEY DID NOTHING TO MAKE CLASSES VIABLE END GAME! That pisses me off more then anything else. Infact i game here to bitch and complain about that when I saw this post so i thought i would leave my two cents here instead of starting a whole new post about relatively the same subject matter. I have all this gear that says arc/brd thf/nin pug/mnk and it is all END GAME GEAR.

[EliseDee]

So why the fuck are my classes not END GAME VIABLE! whats the point of having this gear if at no point ever its going to be of any use to my classes because you destroyed what was actually the only good thing about FFXIV 1.0. The ability to use skills from all other classes and the option of using latent abilities (aka traits) from other classes as well. Infact it almost seems to punish you for WANTING to play a class. Oh...you wanna be a thief not a ninja...well fuck you no combat stealth you are now considered worthless. Oh you want to play a archer instead of a bard oh...let me drop your dex cap down by 30 and not give you anything to make up for it. I personally think they are taking a part of the game that would add so much diversity to tactics and custom builds for classes as opposed to the more cookie cutter jobs.

[EliseDee]

They are killing the original idea behind the class system. Thanks for trying your best yoshi, but i guess appeasing cry babies by making things easier is much more of a focus then building a game that has any debt to it at all. The gear system is already pointless because every update things get easier so me doing it the hard way made it all for nothing cause some one else can do it later at easy mode and feel special. I think at this point he really needs to talk to the devs about a way to start pleasing the Hardcore gamers as well as the casuals cause right now all i see is pandering to those who werent around when this game was a heaping pile of garbage and still supported because the system had so much potential for greatness. FIX THE FUCKING CLASS SYSTEM!

[EliseDee]

[QUOTE=Kuwagami;2669146
as I said, I didn't implied you can't. Just that it's pointless and useless, while removing a lot of utility in most cases, and even removing every single bit of utility you may have in the worst case (being gladiator). and btw, archer is the only one not being THAT hindered by removing the job crystal (apart from the stat loss) in their dps if you aren't going to sing anyway. [/QUOTE]

I agree with you and thats the problem. They need to MAKE classes VIABLE as end game. By either reducing the drop off in stats from not being a job or allowing MORE access to other cla ss skills and traits. Like taking lancer to 20 in 1.0 so you could get the trait of running faster with weapon out. Or Taking gld up so you could get the block skill for healer. All these things were possible in 1.0 and out of all the things they changed I think this is the problem. THEY DIDNT NEED TO CHANGE THE CLASS SYSTEM! It was fine...

[Stihllodeing]

Geez, It didnt stop me from clearing all the 2nd coil. Also, its my choice to play a class and not a job and theres nothing anyone can do about it in my PF. Songs are useless if no one needs them, with everyone being over gear for contant now having songs wasnt important to my group. The main point is it CAN be done. I wouldnt do it with any hard core people because most of them cant think out side the box but in a pre-made party it works. It was a experiment and it worked for us. Sorry if you dont like it. ps: I suffered very little DPS lose to the point it didnt matter. 1% dps didnt kill our chances of winning any battles.
The fact is people just HATE classes. Thats my opinion.

More fact as opposed to opinion at this point...imo.

Am I the only one that sees, "doing away with classes" and thinks, "GREAT, now the jobs are going to be more linear than they are..."? The class system is one of the only things currently in the game that can give our characters a snows balls chance in hell in the future of seeing any kind of horizontal progression we have all hoped for for a while now.

The choice words that comes to mind when I see "doing away with classes" is vertical, same, unoriginal.

[Mimilu]

I played Archer in game Coil 1 and 2 via DF (I know pissed a lot of peolpe off) at item lv 114 I saw very little stat drop off...maybe 1%. With the added skills I could carry Rasie and quick cast,virus and others it came in handy in many battles with two Whms without virus. I havn't tried Coil 3 yet, I doubt anyones going to let me play Archer outside of PF. Archer seems to be a very good class to mix and match on for skills with its built in high mana.

I mentioned Bards because they have Mage's Ballad to regain the party's MP.
Also, I don't think Raise would be very good on an Archer, seeing as they can't use it during battle (needs a Conjurer's trait for that).

[Roxas_Andrade]

I mentioned Bards because they have Mage's Ballad to regain the party's MP.
Also, I don't think Raise would be very good on an Archer, seeing as they can't use it during battle (needs a Conjurer's trait for that).

Raise needs this trait, but Ressurrect doesn't. Maybe it was just for shorten things... Maybe...

[Mimilu]

Raise needs this trait, but Ressurrect doesn't. Maybe it was just for shorten things... Maybe...

Resurrect isn't a cross class skill though... >3>

[Mirron]

It does kind of make you wonder why Raise is. Out of combat raising isn't really all that useful except for wandering the land and helping random people.

[Mimilu]

It does kind of make you wonder why Raise is. Out of combat raising isn't really all that useful except for wandering the land and helping random people.

Probably because Conjurer didn't have anything else to cross-class that wouldn't have been too powerful or mandatory to have.