Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Arson_king]

I am not in Final Coil yet, still in the beginning stages of Second Coil...Would you then say Poetic Belt, Hands, And Neck are great pieces? I was planning on spending my poetic on earing and Wrist. I was planning on holding out to see what the New CT would bring to us gear wise.

On that note, Would you then suggest Skill Speed on a Novus? I am not the richest person, but I was planning on going 24 Determination (lol I do have one IV Materia),33 Critical, and 18 Accuracy.

[Noxotic]

Do you guys think it's worth it to give up 57 CRIT and 29 Skill Speed for 52 DET? Weights say crit+skillspeed is better, but they involve someRng. Helps every hit. What do?

[Dervy]

Daweism, that post is kinda irrelevant to what he was asking.

And no Arson_King. Get accuracy and remove SkillSpeed is essentially what we're all doing now - unless you're going for absolutely maximum crafted BiS where SkillSpeed is relevant. At least with 18 accuracy on your Novus, you can replace one of the other accuracy heavy accessories and replace it for a pure DPS variant, such as the Dreadwyrm Earrings of Slaying.

Do you guys think it's worth it to give up 57 CRIT and 29 Skill Speed for 52 DET? Weights say crit+skillspeed is better, but they involve someRng. Helps every hit. What do?

What items are we talking about here? Personally, I'd do the swap, but 52 DET? How are you losing 52 DET? That's a pretty big loss.

[Noxotic]

Theory crafting, ariyalas calculator BiS with and without food. Without food shows no skill speed, but add black truffle risotto and you get 52 Determination over the BiS option with food, but that option loses that DET in favor of 57 CRIT + Skill Speed.

Option #1: With Food Calculated
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OYPZ

Option #2: Without Food Calculated, then adding BTR for DET
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OYQ3

[Arson_king]

Ok! great.. are you still using OP rotation? and something I am getting stuck on is AOE Rotation! last Question of the Day lol ( I get three a day!)

[Dervy]

Theory crafting, ariyalas calculator BiS with and without food. Without food shows no skill speed, but add black truffle risotto and you get 52 Determination over the BiS option with food, but that option loses that DET in favor of 57 CRIT + Skill Speed.

Option #1: With Food Calculated
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OYPZ

Option #2: Without Food Calculated, then adding BTR for DET
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OYQ3

Oh, you're talking about the BiS sets I calculated 2 weeks ago.

There's like a 1-2 DPS difference between the two. Pick whichever you prefer.

I just noticed that you calcuated BiS using out of date weights. Here's the two BiS sets you should be working with (doesn't include crafted gear):

BiS ilvl135 @ 535 Accuracy/T13 - Highest DPS on paper
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OTNT

BiS ilvl135 @ 535 Accuracy/T13 - 410 Determination
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OTNX

Top one is highest, theoretical DPS. Second just has 410 Determination and is only 1-2 DPS behind, on paper.

Ok! great.. are you still using OP rotation? and something I am getting stuck on is AOE Rotation! last Question of the Day lol ( I get three a day!)

Yes, H IDC P TTT.

But, cooldown management is different.

Use IR + PS + Jump together. Though, as jump is on a 30s cooldown, so you can use it once more before you buff it up again with PS + IR. Essentially, Jump 1 buffed, Jump 2 unbuffed, Jump 3 buffed, jump 4 unbuffed etc.

Use Blood For Blood whenever it pops up, same for Leg Sweep.

Dragonfire Dive + Spineshatter are used however you want to.

If your skillspeed is below 390, rotate the use of Life Surge between Full Thrust and Chaos Thrust, as it's 50s Cooldown. If it's above this number, only use Life Surge on Full Thrust. Though, if you've had A LOT of practice, then you can use Life Surge with CT + FT at much higher SkillSpeed (I do it with 441 SS)

[Aiurily]

first set has 493 acc

[rickyguo]

Oh, you're talking about the BiS sets I calculated 2 weeks ago.

There's like a 1-2 DPS difference between the two. Pick whichever you prefer.

I just noticed that you calcuated BiS using out of date weights. Here's the two BiS sets you should be working with (doesn't include crafted gear):

BiS ilvl135 @ 535 Accuracy/T13 - Highest DPS on paper
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OTVH

BiS ilvl135 @ 535 Accuracy/T13 - 410 Determination
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OTNX

i'm too lazy to test it but do dots and disembowel fall off if we use the set with +0 skillspeed?

[Dervy]

Fucks sake .-.

Edited. I really should get myself a list of all the sets compiled somewhere... I never bother keep them compiled as I just use my solver if I need to know what the BiS set is.

@ Ricky. Phlebotomize should fall off for a second before re-application at such low skillspeed. Disembowl and Chaos Thrust shouldn't, unless you've delayed your GDCs by overlapping oGDCs, or due to AOE mechanics.

[Noxotic]

Oh, you're talking about the BiS sets I calculated 2 weeks ago.

There's like a 1-2 DPS difference between the two. Pick whichever you prefer.

I just noticed that you calcuated BiS using out of date weights. Here's the two BiS sets you should be working with (doesn't include crafted gear):

BiS ilvl135 @ 535 Accuracy/T13 - Highest DPS on paper
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OTNT

BiS ilvl135 @ 535 Accuracy/T13 - 410 Determination
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OTNX

Top one is highest, theoretical DPS. Second just has 410 Determination and is only 1-2 DPS behind, on paper.

I could sworn I edited the stat weights to the new ones when I put it in. Idk how there are different results haha. Maybe I didn't.