Cash Shop: Stifling development.

[Kuolema]

Well I'm certainly not going to be passive about it.
"oh well, there's nothing I can do about it. May as well be quiet and just go about my daily grinding. Ho humm." Is not the kind of guy Eisen Gramul is.
I don't hate the game, I hate the idea of a cash shop on top of a subscription rate. Im not unsubscribing for that. Unsubscribing would do less to tell them I'm unaccepting of the cash shop than it does for removing the complainers so you don't have to see them.

Unless you are willing to go to their headquarters and protest the cash shop...even then nothing will change. Just because we pay a subscription doesn't entitle us to everything. We play on their servers, they give free updates, and run free in game events. Would you prefer to pay a subscription and be charged for updates that brings in new content such as new primals and coil content?

I'm not suggesting people not be vocal about it but everything that could have been said on both sides of the argument have been said on this forum. We have beaten this topic to death, lets put it out of it's misery and move on to something else. Start a facebook/twitter campaign against the cash shop for all I care.

[Gramul]

Unless you are willing to go to their headquarters and protest the cash shop...even then nothing will change. Just because we pay a subscription doesn't entitle us to everything. We play on their servers, they give free updates, and run free in game events. Would you prefer to pay a subscription and be charged for update that brings in new content such as new primals and coil content?

I would rather my subscription rate be wisely budgeted so as future content doesn't apparently demand so much extra funds beyond it.

These forums where made for feedback and the devs do listen. I've been here long enough to see that (though in recent months they've been a little flippant I admit).

Honestly, as far as business models go, I would good with a Guild Wars kind of system where you basically pay for mini-expansion packs but is otherwise free.

[Kuolema]

I would rather my subscription rate be wisely budgeted so as future content doesn't apparently demand so much extra funds beyond it.

These forums where made for feedback and the devs do listen. I've been here long enough to see that (though in recent months they've been a little flippant I admit).

Honestly, as far as business models go, I would good with a Guild Wars kind of system where you basically pay for mini-expansion packs but is otherwise free.

And that is where our opinions differ. Yes the forums are here for certain feedback such as glitches and such, but I have yet to see any dev/mod make any kind of statement regarding the cash shop and quite honestly I highly doubt they will. The best way is to either start a social media campaign or go to a live event and try to get your questions answered there.

We also have no real ideas on how profitable FFXIV is. Could it be raking in cash..maybe, could it just be treading water..maybe or could it be slightly losing money..maybe. We don't have these answers. Could the cash shop be just a money grab..possibly, could it be here to keep the game above water..maybe, or could it be here as a resort to make the game break even or slightly profitable..maybe. There are too many maybes with this cash shop and none of us have the answers. So my advice is to see what happens and not fly off the handle every time something minor gets added to the cash shop.

Again my opinion but the Guild Wars model is terrible to follow. They could put mini updates twice a month and charge for it plus the charge of brand new expansions that will cost you more in the long run.

[Cutie_McSnuggles]

Why do people seam to have the mind set that a subscription based game cannot thrive on the income of it's subscriptions alone?

[Kuolema]

Why do people seam to have the mind set that a subscription based game cannot thrive on the income of it's subscriptions alone?

Why do people seem to think a subscription based game can thrive on it's subscriptions alone? See how easy that is. There aren't a lot of MMO's that have been able to last more than a year before coming free to play.

[Gramul]

Why do people seam to have the mind set that a subscription based game cannot thrive on the income of it's subscriptions alone?

(messed up who I was quoting. I'll fix it later)

Because it can? Because we've seen it before? Proper budgeting, taking from their mobile income, better content planning, keeping your project in reasonable scope. All these things come to mind.

Everyone who is against it has bought something from it, don't lie, you know you have.

That's a remarkably presumptuous statement to make. The only extra I bought from them was the Special Edition upgrade at relaunch because I thought it was a one time deal. I'm not touching the cash shop so long as I have a subscription.