Cash Shop: Stifling development.

[Kuolema]

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It isn't that a few people are defending the cash shop, they just realize that the cash shop is a fact of gaming life. I know you vehemently deny this fact but denying it doesn't make it any less true.

If possible can we please allow these pro and anti cash shop threads to die. Everything that could be said has been said.

[Adrian74]

It isn't that a few people are defending the cash shop, they just realize that the cash shop is a fact of gaming life. I know you vehemently deny this fact but denying it doesn't make it any less true.

If possible can we please allow these pro and anti cash shop threads to die. Everything that could be said has been said.

Probably they didn't know previous gaming eras after all where cash shops had nothing to be in. A cash shop shouldn't even be in a subscription model for starting.... But, oh, geez... New times, new demons. Worst thing is that you're right, people nowadays thinks that money and games are super linked factors. I can already foresee a future where games won't be anymore games, just brainwashing business for make people spend and spend more and more money. Let's pray for the industry of videogames to not evolve into such a thing. (Well, 90% of it already did it after all, so called ''''''FREE'''' to play cancer.)

Meanwhile, let's enjoy the earth of videogames before Mr.$ and Mr.€ Meteorites come wipe it.

[Alberel]

It isn't that a few people are defending the cash shop, they just realize that the cash shop is a fact of gaming life. I know you vehemently deny this fact but denying it doesn't make it any less true.

If possible can we please allow these pro and anti cash shop threads to die. Everything that could be said has been said.

Without these discussions there would be no one to tell the devs when enough was enough and they would quite literally sell everything in the cash shop if they believed they could get away with it. Players such as yourself are a serious problem as you argue as though the developers can do no wrong and such will bend over and take anything they give us. The reality is players arguing against the cash shop keeps the devs in check and makes them think twice about how far they're willing to push things.

There are very few MMOs out there that didn't prove the slippery slope 'fallacy' to actually be true. The majority of cash shop introductions I've seen have gotten progressively worse and worse over time, with players feeling more and more pressured to buy in order to get the same enjoyment they once had. Players such as yourself facilitate this course of events by essentially saying you don't care as long as the content of the shop is not something you're interested in. Of course as soon as they overstep your own personal limits with regards to what can be sold you'll blow your top and come screaming on here. It's the typical 'not in my backyard' problem and it is incredibly sad to see.

Realising that the cash shop is here to stay is one thing, but it is entirely absurd for a customer to defend a business' attempts to milk more money out of them. It's like your energy supplier putting their prices up and you just saying they'll provide a better service for it... in reality all that extra money just goes to their shareholders. Very little of it actually goes into anything for the consumers. It is really no different here, especially when things like the Sleipnir mount are proven cut content.

[Adrian74]

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Please, we need more like you, seriously...

And I totally agree. People that goes defend cash shops and to tell the ones that are against it to 'stop it already' / 'oh, not this again', etc etc are part of the problem by assimilating that everything's alright and letting the virus expand and expand until....

Until there's no cure! Until it affects them too and then they cries won't be enough, because it will be too late, until the little joyful pearls of divine gaming we have without being P2W stuff will also get contaminated and finishing being more of the same psychological game to extract money.

If you want to defend cash shops and stuff like that, go to the thousand games abusing of that already, let us enjoy the final remaining Subscription Fee Model ones. It's even common sense and balance... Why defending something that is aleady the 95% of the videogames industry? Let the remaining pure games be pure, the industry is enough corrupted already.

[Kuolema]

Forums don't do tell the devs anything. Money talks louder than forums. If a game implements something that people don't like then no one is going to pay for it. The same goes for a MMO. People can feel free to stop paying their monthly sub and move on. If enough people stop paying then and only then will devs and companies start to take notice.

[Tupsi]

Probably they didn't know previous gaming eras

Um no - I've known MMOs since they were considered 'MUDs' and even the ones prior to - Heck I even played basically every game system prior to probably even before you were born. Knowing that microtransactions are a part of gaming in this day and age is like knowing Digital Downloads are a part of gaming now and denying that would be silly.


It will never go back to pre-microtransaction because gamers have proven it's a good source of money for companies to invest in. You all signed onto it when people decided to buy DLC and pay for 'Early Access' or throw your money at Farmville and Candy Crush Saga. Cash Shops have become a norm in MMORPGs just like the above example.

A cash shop shouldn't even be in a subscription model for starting

Why not? You agreed to the terms that your subscription fee only gives you access to the game, it didn't exactly say it gives you free access to everything else. You still have to buy expansion packs or add-on type content packs, complain about that too. I mean, we pay a sub fee, why am I still buying an expansion pack? Why is it not free?

just brainwashing business for make people spend and spend more and more money.

You do realize this has always been the case..right? That's what console exclusives, "updated systems" and "ports" were ever since the 90s. Nintendo was notorious for it...or did you simply forget that?

[Kuolema]

Probably they didn't know previous gaming eras after all where cash shops had nothing to be in. A cash shop shouldn't even be in a subscription model for starting.... But, oh, geez... New times, new demons. Worst thing is that you're right, people nowadays thinks that money and games are super linked factors. I can already foresee a future where games won't be anymore games, just brainwashing business for make people spend and spend more and more money. Let's pray for the industry of videogames to not evolve into such a thing.

Games currently target the casual gamer. They don't have the time to play 24/7 but what they do have is disposable income that will make up for not having the time to grind out games. If you really want to blame gaming companies for this then I would start with the ones that produce games for mobile devices as that is where we really saw the idea take off.

[Gramul]

Forums don't do tell the devs anything. Money talks louder than forums. If a game implements something that people don't like then no one is going to pay for it. The same goes for a MMO. People can feel free to stop paying their monthly sub and move on. If enough people stop paying then and only then will devs and companies start to take notice.

Well I'm certainly not going to be passive about it.
"oh well, there's nothing I can do about it. May as well be quiet and just go about my daily grinding. Ho humm." Is not the kind of guy Eisen Gramul is.
I don't hate the game, I hate the idea of a cash shop on top of a subscription rate. Im not unsubscribing for that. Unsubscribing would do less to tell them I'm unaccepting of the cash shop than it does for removing the complainers so you don't have to see them.

[Kuolema]

Well I'm certainly not going to be passive about it.
"oh well, there's nothing I can do about it. May as well be quiet and just go about my daily grinding. Ho humm." Is not the kind of guy Eisen Gramul is.
I don't hate the game, I hate the idea of a cash shop on top of a subscription rate. Im not unsubscribing for that. Unsubscribing would do less to tell them I'm unaccepting of the cash shop than it does for removing the complainers so you don't have to see them.

Unless you are willing to go to their headquarters and protest the cash shop...even then nothing will change. Just because we pay a subscription doesn't entitle us to everything. We play on their servers, they give free updates, and run free in game events. Would you prefer to pay a subscription and be charged for updates that brings in new content such as new primals and coil content?

I'm not suggesting people not be vocal about it but everything that could have been said on both sides of the argument have been said on this forum. We have beaten this topic to death, lets put it out of it's misery and move on to something else. Start a facebook/twitter campaign against the cash shop for all I care.

[Gramul]

Unless you are willing to go to their headquarters and protest the cash shop...even then nothing will change. Just because we pay a subscription doesn't entitle us to everything. We play on their servers, they give free updates, and run free in game events. Would you prefer to pay a subscription and be charged for update that brings in new content such as new primals and coil content?

I would rather my subscription rate be wisely budgeted so as future content doesn't apparently demand so much extra funds beyond it.

These forums where made for feedback and the devs do listen. I've been here long enough to see that (though in recent months they've been a little flippant I admit).

Honestly, as far as business models go, I would good with a Guild Wars kind of system where you basically pay for mini-expansion packs but is otherwise free.