Cash Shop: Stifling development.

[Dyvid]

Every single recently released SE game has dlc its how games work now they want supplemental income from them to make more money because they are a business.

yea, except those don't carry a monthly fee to play it either....

[Zumi]

yea, except those don't carry a monthly fee to play it either....

Doesn't matter if a game has a monthly fee or not they still want more money by selling what is essentially dlc.

[Gramul]

Every single recently released SE game has dlc its how games work now they want supplemental income from them to make more money because they are a business.

And you're fine with it literally coming at your expense?
And I'm not using the word literal for cheap groundless emphasis; I mean it is literally at your own expense.
You could have the content in game though a standard system, but not only are you expected to pay even more for it, but the way to get it is totally divorced from actual gameplay.

I'd probably be better with it if you could buy it with disgustingly large amounts of in game gold, but as it is, it's just looking for ways for the customer to pay more than they need to. Double dipping is an anti-consumer practice only justified by the assumption that the extra income goes directly to making the game better.

[Dyvid]

Just read Blizzard is considering allowing players to sell game time purchased from cash shop for gold similar to EVE. Is this another "standard" you would like to see added to the game?

[Laraul]

Just read Blizzard is considering allowing players to sell game time purchased from cash shop for gold similar to EVE. Is this another "standard" you would like to see added to the game?

To clarify:

We’re exploring the possibility of giving players a way to buy tradable game-time tokens for the purpose of exchanging them in-game with other players for gold. Our current thought on this is that it would give players a way to use their surplus gold to cover some of their subscription cost, while giving players who might have less play time an option for acquiring gold from other players through a legit and secure system. A few other online games offer a similar option, and players have suggested that they’d be interested in seeing something along those lines in WoW. We agree it could be a good fit for the game, and we look forward to any feedback you have as we continue to look into this feature.

Since time = money, this makes logical sense. I like the idea... It would allow people to pay for their subscriptions via the in-game currency, which they've spent time earning. And it would allow players who have less time to play to earn gold they simply don't have the time to play. It's legit and secure, and would take business away from RMT.

[Hiruke]

I just wish everything in the cash shop was sellable for gil so some other sucker could subsidize me.

[Cynric]

I'd like to post some food for thought. Yoshida said we wont be going F2P ever, We now have a Cash shop, Yoshida also said he'd like to make FF14 available to as many players as possible and P2P/F2P aren't the only models for MMO's available nor the best ones.
Is it possible we may be seeing FF14 go B2P in the future? With a subscription service available for certain bonuses such as continued Veteran rewards, more characters per server, and certain vanity exclusives? etc.

B2P/Premium/Cash Shop - Available to all, Exclusives offering no extreme P2W advantage for Premium, Cash Shop to gain income from Subscribers of premium as well as non subscribers while keeping the game hugely accessible to increase the ability to make more income and appeal to F2P/P2P players.

Not saying this is a model I would personally enjoy or not, But it seems like where we are headed.

[BreathlessTao]

Yoshida said we wont be going F2P ever

Actually, Yoshi said they "could consider free-to-play". Mind you, he seems to have said a few other things as well and look where we are now... /shrug

[Cynric]

Actually, Yoshi said they "could consider free-to-play". Mind you, he seems to have said a few other things as well and look where we are now... /shrug

Seemed more like he was saying "if our players want f2p we may consider it" but I don't think anyone really wants to see ff14 be F2P. The answer was a pretty generic "we will try to do what our players want" answer.

That's not to say it will or wont happen just that I didn't quite get the vibe that they were considering it at this very moment as a model. Just that he wants people to play.

Hmm

Premium = what we have now with standard sub
free = with enough (anti-rmt) restrictions that the player pay the sub if he want to play it seriously. Also no access to cash shop without a sub

Yeah something like that. I don't know if I'd necessarily want to see that kind of payment model myself. But it seems like where the design of recent content is headed.

[Felis]

I'd like to post some food for thought. Yoshida said we wont be going F2P ever, We now have a Cash shop, Yoshida also said he'd like to make FF14 available to as many players as possible and P2P/F2P aren't the only models for MMO's available nor the best ones.
Is it possible we may be seeing FF14 go B2P in the future? With a subscription service available for certain bonuses such as continued Veteran rewards, more characters per server, and certain vanity exclusives? etc.

Hmm

Premium = what we have now with entry/standard/legacy sub (with no extra costs)
free = with enough (anti-rmt) restrictions that the player pay the sub if he want to play it seriously. Also no access to cash shop without a sub