I'm disgusted with the bard nerf.

[Ooshima]

For the love of everything, please no! 5% is in no way "low". That'd be an awesome group buff, which would just destroy the Bards personal DPS.

Suggest something useful and viable then?

5% over a very short few seconds isn't as OP as you think when the cost is 200TP. No BRD will be spamming this shit because in long fights it will just rape your TP resource and any gain would probable be negated when you have to recover it via Army's Paeon. You would probably have to evaluate carefully to see if there are enough trash/adds and whether there are enough downtime to regen TP to warrant a use of it at all.

[Xine]

For the love of everything, please no! 5% is in no way "low". That'd be an awesome group buff, which would just destroy the Bards personal DPS.

I fail to understand how a 5% increase would be to much, on average a Bard will probably do about 300~ dmg per mob with an AoE (assuming no buffs are active), adding 5% more is a paltry 15 additional damage, assuming full buffs, thats about 600-800 damage with a Crit landing and even that is barely adding 30-40 damage per hit. If anything it'd be a bigger buff for BLMs, 2500+ Crit Flares? That's 125 damage added. I fail to see how a 5% increase in damage vulnerability will be a bad thing. But even still, no buff/debuff in this game lasts longer than 30s that I can think of off the top of my head, but you wouldn't even NEED 30s to clear a group of mobs unless all of your dps have shit for weapons, in which case the 5% increase would be doing them literally next to no good.

[Adormus]

Suggest something useful and viable then?

5% over a very short few seconds isn't as OP as you think when the cost is 200TP. No BRD will be spamming this shit because in long fights it will just rape your TP resource and any gain would probable be negated when you have to recover it via Army's Paeon. You would probably have to evaluate carefully to see if there are enough trash/adds and whether there are enough downtime to regen TP to warrant a use of it at all.

450*1.05+(425*1.05)*2+350*0.85+(200*1.05)*2=2082 DPS
450+425+425+350+200*2=2050 DPS

Not factoring in the possibility that the BRD has to sing regardless of RoD usage. If so, Bards WOULD have to use RoD all the time.

/edit Forgot about the tanks.

[Ooshima]

450*1.05+(425*1.05)*2+350*0.85+(200*1.05)*2=2082 DPS
450+425+425+350+200*2=2050 DPS

Not factoring in the possibility that the BRD has to sing regardless of RoD usage. If so, Bards WOULD have to use RoD all the time.

/edit Forgot about the tanks.

Not even sure what you are calculating or talking in the air.

Your calculation assumed the average end encounter DPS of 2x tanks + 4 DPS. Do you know each coil encounter is designed for above 10mins? Do you think your BRD have the resource to keep RoD up for 10mins, lel?

Don't be like those people who cries OMG NIN IS SO OP OMG TRICK ATTACK IS OP whatever when it is actually... not a big deal.

5% debuff for say 10s for a whooping 200TP cost is still god damn expensive to use.

And like I said, don't just complain, provide a suggestion.

[Adormus]

Things

My suggestion has always been to give an actual DPS Job to archers. That way the Bards who really want to play a support role, will be able to do so, while people - as myself - who started an Archer and expected a DD, will actually get a DD. I never "cry" about Buffs or Nerfs. The problem however is, that, as you pointed out, people make suggestions. And, like yourself, they don't even think about the consequences. That's actually the same thing you mentioned about the Ninja nerf stuff. You see, I like to caluclate the stuff I'm talking about. Of course the crap I wrote before was nothing more than a naive fallacy, to show that there would be a theoretical DPS increase. With the current 20s duration you'd have to spend an extra ~6,67 TP/s to keep the debuff up. Even with Paeon's 10-11 TP/s you'd be starved after a while. The question is, whether it is before or after the bosses death.

[Warlyx]

hey don't even think about the consequences

yup , use paeon all the time and keep RoD debuff up....dont bother using anything eh? and put some cool clothes , at least look pretty on your dark corner.

[Atomnium]

BRD have BRD issues which is based on facts, SMNs have SMNs issues which is raised in another thread, people notice something and voice out their opinion. So what's your point? There are still SMN out there that clears T13 too right? So, shame on you too? Lel.

Aggressive nature aren't you? And no offences but coming from someone who didn't cleared t13 as well, this last sentence was kind of weird o.O;

BRD have BRD issues which is based on facts

Facts, oh? Where?
You will excuse me good Sir / Madam but I'm personally a bit too old school to fall and close my mouth that easily
Show us some maths please, disturbing parser data, solid situations where BRD is excluded from contents / likely going to be less appealing for a team or even any videos proving some of the said "issues"!
Or maybe you are talking about something else?

I'm no BRD expert, I'm playing mine only for random fun, all I know is the feedbacks coming from my BRDs friends since 2.0 which sound like : "I wish, Brd was less simplistic, It's getting boring after 1 year"
So... Maybe are you talking about the global job depth?

Still trying to find "Facts" on previous pages :/ No luck yet, only demands for minor tweaks to increase the DPS >.>;; (I seems that 410-470 average in fcob as BRD isn't enough for people, lol) or a small discuss about "Rain of Death" not being that much useful.
I found some things relevant though :

My suggestion has always been to give an actual DPS Job to archers. That way the Bards who really want to play a support role, will be able to do so, while people - as myself - who started an Archer and expected a DD, will actually get a DD.

^ There, this guy finally found it out... BRD is a support role blessed with the ability to buffs its party while providing a decent DPS, if you guys want to play a better DPS role then go for ninja / monk or just wait some months/years for a new pure physical damage ranged job.

Also.

"I want to have utility that no other DPS has, ok? But also be better than another pure DPS. Or be counted among top DPS"

Sigh

No.

I love how this thread got necro'd like hell and people just carried on complaining for no reason

Yeah, my "subjective" opinion as well, I'm leaving the thread
Cya! Have fun.