Why no further Echo on T9?

[Pterois]

In all honesty I've pugged T9 so many times even to the 10 clear achievement with different groups.....
I've even pugged all the way to T12 ? I'm not even in a static and I'm on p3 of T13.....


So no Ill have do disagreeeee

theres always gotta be the one person out there lol... im sure everyone here has dropped into a pug group and just meshed perfect and proceed to one shot what ever they are doing, even more so after you have cleared the fight several time as you pointed out (and its a good change that the majority of the folks have cleared as well) . It is not impossible, what you are tell me supports exactly what im saying because those people you grouped with understood this, they all knew how to move as one. or are you tell me it was a complete cluster F but you being as awesome as you are still cleared it because your just so awesome?

[ZhycranaDranix]

. or are you tell me it was a complete cluster F but you being as awesome as you are still cleared it because your just so awesome?

Exactly.

lol just kidding but the earlier parts of your statement are true

[Teuciont]

and experience the story too tightly tied to the main plot of ARR.

Coil is completely separate from the main story and is treated as a secret operation that no one is supposed to know about. They did their best to separate it from the main story, and I find it unfortunate they did so as it creates a lack of impetus to clear it unless you played 1.0.

[Cyllia]

Yeah, I'll get there eventually, I'm just fearing Final Coil won't give me as much when I finally do clear it When people are walking around in full 130 gear from CT drops...

Also, I don't mean T5 at the moment, cause you need no communication to beat that... You just have to know where to stand, be able to dodge, and that's about it. T5 Was a gate before, even though it was much better than T9 is now... T5 have been out for over a year now....

Been out for over a year an some people still don't read/watch guides they just expect a carry or do the fight like they are playing a single player game an wonder why people get pissed off because of a wipe..........

[ZhycranaDranix]

I look at it this way......why isn't it the fact that everyone is doing it , force enough ?

I mean really what are you gearing up for ? I could run a Snow Cloak in all i90 , and do Shiva with nothing but ST gear like is that what it all encases for casual players ?
I don't know I don't why players aren't coiling I actually see it as more of the ''story'' and not the end game side quest its made out to be.

[Craiger]

I look at it this way......why isn't it the fact that everyone is doing it , force enough ?

I mean really what are you gearing up for ? I could run a Snow Cloak in all i90 , and do Shiva with nothing but ST gear like is that what it all encases for casual players ?
I don't know I don't why players aren't coiling I actually see it as more of the ''story'' and not the end game side quest its made out to be.

A lot of players just can't handle Coil, or just doesn't enjoy harder content like that, which I think is fine. SE needs to keep those people too, otherwise the community will slowly become toxic

The player base I think SE is screwing over at times, is the "mid-core" players... So, not the ones that are progressing far into Final Coil, and not the people that doesn't even bother with Coil, the ones in-between. Like me for example, and because I'm not in a static progressing in Final Coil, it feels like I'm being grouped with all the casual players that have completely different needs...

[Taruinatho]

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I'm almost certain that mixing in the casual player base as a pool for the midcore and hardcore player bases would only result in more disappointment than is already present in our current raid lockout system.

If you cannot deal with baiting divebombs in turn 5, this will bite you with dodging and baiting them in turn 9.
If you cannot deal with baiting and dodging divebombs in turn 9, dealing with mechanics and divebombs in turn 13 will be near impossiburu.

The gates are there for a reason.

[Tagihi]

how long u been progress with t9? i been doing that for 1 about month but phase 1 2 and 3 are going down soo smoothly no errors at all.
But we still working progress phase 4 and more we do it easier it gets.
10% echo sometimes make fight even more anoying it is. Boss start skipping / jumping with mechanics.

[NorthernLadMSP]

The annoying part of this fight is not lack of Echo or DPS checks, it is the fact that almost every single thing gone wrong is instant death.

Place meteors too close . . . instant death
Let golems get to close, causing huge golem . . . instant death
Don't kill the golems before mega flare . . . instant death
Get too close inside or too far outside during Heavensfall . . . instant death
Get too many stacks of the debuff . . . instant death
Get two stacks of fire or ice . . . instant death
Touch the wall . . . instant death

[PArcher]

The annoying part of this fight is not lack of Echo or DPS checks, it is the fact that almost every single thing gone wrong is instant death.

Place meteors too close . . . instant death
Let golems get to close, causing huge golem . . . instant death
Don't kill the golems before mega flare . . . instant death
Get too close inside or too far outside during Heavensfall . . . instant death
Get too many stacks of the debuff . . . instant death
Get two stacks of fire or ice . . . instant death
Touch the wall . . . instant death

If you think t9 is bad with this, you'll hate all of FCoB