Why no further Echo on T9?

[Craiger]

I know this will start an argument on whether SE is ruining the game by making content easier or something... But I'm gonna do it anyways.

I'm by no means a bad gamer that needs a ton of echo buffs to beat content, but I just feel that T9 is too big of a gate for people that doesn't want to be in a static...

I could join a static group and go all hardcore, but I don't want to, I like to be free and maybe play with some from my FC at times, or with all randoms through PF. Even being in a T9 practice LS, which I am... but not being in a static of 8 man playing at specific times a week etc. That's not my style.

You can get 115 weapon by just beating Shiva, and now you can get a 125 Relic weapon easily (way too easy if you ask me), so why would it be so bad to add some extra echo on T9? It's not like it will be easy beating it without a static anyways...

The thing that annoys me the most, is that I've been told that at least Final Coil T1, is very much beatable by a PUG, not sure about T2, but that should probably work (soon at least)

It feels like I'm being forced to be in a static if I want to experience the Final Coil the coming months...

Like I said, Echo wouldn't make it easy for a PUG, but it would at least help with increasing the groups DPS (Not easy finding people that can actually do decent DPS)

[lololink]

10% is far enough to get past the DPS check, further bonus won't help you dodging the mechanics.

[Defteros]

T5 with echo is still a too big of a gate to people.

[ZhycranaDranix]

T5 a gate ? With potential i120 char in game right now......

T5 is gated behind by players who lack the commitment or desire to raid in further coils at this point.

I pug T5 daily on Tonberry and get a 100 Sol message everytime.....*one-two shot it all the time

[BreathlessTao]

T5 a gate ? With potential i120 char in game right now......

T5 is gated behind by players who lack the commitment or desire to raid in further coils at this point.

Not everyone throwing themselves at it is i120. And yes, it probably is "gated" by people who "lack the commitment or desire to raid in further coils" but would just like to get past what's now a year old content, and experience the story too tightly tied to the main plot of ARR.

[Defteros]

T5 a gate ? With potential i120 char in game right now......

T5 is gated behind by players who lack the commitment or desire to raid in further coils at this point.

I pug T5 daily on Tonberry and get a 100 Sol message everytime.....*one-two shot it all the time

you can have a level of over 9000, but if you can't dodge twisters or divebomb, you will still wipe.

[ZhycranaDranix]

but if you can't dodge twisters or divebomb, you will still wipe.

True, but if you can't dodge a DB at this point then thats just all on you. I've cleared when two dps just kept getting pummled by DB lol ...we just raised and kept going

[Craiger]

10% is far enough to get past the DPS check, further bonus won't help you dodging the mechanics.

Did you read my post? I just said it won't help my group (I'm doing pretty good) with the dodging mechanics, but it will help with the DPS, which is also a problem.

10% echo to get past DPS check, yes that's enough IMO, and I'm usually on the top or second in DPS (BLM), so there should be no problem, but you should check out the DPS people get there... Even without the Echo, those numbers are low.

To LB the second dragon in P3 is a very common thing, even though you should not even get to the second dragon if you do good enough DPS

[Donjo]

In the First Coil, SE was constantly monitoring how many people were clearing it as they added Echo and they continued to increase the potency of the buff relative to how many new people were clearing the content because of it. Since they haven't increased the buff on the Second Coil yet, it can be assumed that SE believes that enough people are clearing it right now that further buffs aren't currently necessary.

[Craiger]

In the First Coil, SE was constantly monitoring how many people were clearing it as they added Echo and they continued to increase the potency of the buff relative to how many new people were clearing the content because of it. Since they haven't increased the buff on the Second Coil yet, it can be assumed that SE believes that enough people are clearing it right now that further buffs aren't currently necessary.

Well, yeah. Otherwise they would have increased it, but I made this thread to question that decision...

I don't know anyone who have beat, or even come near beating T9 with a PUG. With a static it's a different thing, cause you can just try countless times with the same people, and if you're using voicecom, it makes T9 a lot easier.

I'm gonna try finding a couple of players in my LS that are good enough, and run with them for a while so the players I'm with become a little more consistent, but I don't like how all these "last turn gates" are more about playing with the same people all the time, and your level of communication, than actually being good at your job/dodging mechanics.

I could be the best player in the world (not saying I am, lol), and I would still not be able to even come close to beating it unless I have a static pretty much... Especially since even if you specifically say "T9 P3-P4 training" in PF, you still get a ton of players that can't get past P1 even...

I should mention that I never point a finger on any player I play with, if it sounds like I'm acting like an elitist or something...