Relic Quest is pure Crap, i am done with it SE.

[Ellatrix]

Honestly, my problem with Relic is that for the work involved to get one, it should ALWAYS ALWAYS be best in slot, no exceptions. At least 10 iLVL over the next weapon choice and NOT the other way around as it is now.

Yes, there is work involved in getting the coil weapons, especially for the third coil...but groups are clearing this stuff fairly quickly. We're not talking the elite of the elite..we're talking anyone with any competence and 7 friends of similar ability. The only thing keeping players from getting better and farming it up and getting all the gear they want is the weekly lockout. (and artificial wall)

In short, the hours you have to put in to study/figure out the third coil and acquire the current BiS weapon (at 135) is not at all on par with the amount of hours required to get the current relic (iLVL125).. therefore why would you ever waste time doing relic unless you just want to have the item for glamor.

Grind should never trump skill. Also, I'm glad you're an expert on the time involved to learn and clear coil given you haven't even completed T5 (or any Primals for that matter... why do you need an i135 weapon again?).

[silentwindfr]

The problem is, Yoshida doesn't want to "stress" the playerbase... Which result in decisions like "grinding your casual contents while adding ton of RNG related to it", meanwhile for less rng involved we could had got things like "killing all ex primals, Nael, fcob turn X, etc" in order to finish the last steps of our relics.

You guys and girls have to understand something simple It's either :
a) huge grindfest on easy and casual contents + deep gils sink.
b) challenge on midcore/raider contents, once a time completion, only skill involved, proving to the game that you are "worthy" to own your reward.
c) a decent mix of both.

So, what do you prefer? Huge RNG grind-fests or to be a bit "stressed" and have to work into endgame contents for side quests like relic weapons.

without a second thought.... B, A and C are simply artificial way to increase the time we will spend for get it. if they don't want the relic to be the best in the slot (that the case actually) they need to add the relic under this form... it must be a quest with a progression with challenge outside of the classical stuff we do.

by the way, if they want to give reason people for do stuff like fate and such... they need to make them worth the time spend to do it. the GC stuff didn't evolve since the release, indeed we can get craft mats and venture token.... but seriously, i'm must'nt be the only one with tons of GC seal unused....

[Lemuria]

I just love how people have rose tinted glasses when it comes to Xi. That was a grind on a whole different level. It took people years to acquire the necessary items to create one relic with the help of a huge amount of people and you are complaining about the grind needed for this? Get out go back to Xi for a few days and really remember what it was like, and make sure you take your glasses off.

Sure, but what did you get at the end of it all? A unique weapon skill, a weapon which could occasionally deal TRIPLE the normal damage, and even a bonus special effect on top of that such as dealing additional damage based on HP in the case of Excalibur. It wasn't just another dime-a-dozen weapon, it was special and that's why it was so highly coveted.

Another point to articulate is that the relic quest was far more involved. You had to enter Dynamis and fight difficult boss fights to obtain many of the key items necessary to finish it, there was no endless repeating of low level activities when it was first introduced, and dynamis itself required a massive team effort. Though, admittedly not so much any more that they've heavily nerfed Dynamis to the ground.

Compare and contrast to FFXIV "relics" which are just another weapon. There's nothing unique about them aside from their appearance, and the novelty of that is clearly wearing off as I've seen many relic users glamor them anyway. The quest involves doing the SAME missions we've been doing ad nauseum and killing the same enemies we've been killing since day one. There's nothing really new or exciting to look forward to during the grind.

[Bishop81]

You know, as I said I gave up when it asked me to meld materia as I'm too cheap to do so.

Give how much of a pain in the behind it was to get my SMN relic to that stage, so much grinding, and the fact that I never was a fan of its design, with the availability of UATs from ST, it pretty much killed my interest in it.

[MeiUshu]

what a troll!

if i want to do it its easy but, i may need to do it 20 times to get the drop, and i got better things todo rather than aurom vale, things that can be fun todo.

will i ever do it one day? maybe if they change the later part of quests to something other than old dungengs/fate/instace, then it will be worth it if this is the end of the low level grind. otherwise i am done with this.

You call him a troll, when he is not one, what he said is pure truth if it is no fun for you to do 20x AV then dont do it and dont do your relic, pretty simple...unless I dont understand why you are complaining and in which case I would love you to clarify for me what is your real grief ?

When something ceases to be fun, you dont do it anymore...pretty easy and simple and if I were you I woudl take his advice, dont do it and find something else that you like better to do.

Mei

[Coatl]

The good thing about relics are that they guarantee you a good, relevant weapon to use regardless of what new content is thrown at you, this is including final coil. It's a long grind and whether its worth iis up to the individual.

At least with relics you make constant progress. Even if you beat T13 and have it on farm, there's no guarantee you'll get your i135 weapon to drop. You'll spend weeks just waiting to have another shot. Might as well pick up a relic while you're waiting.

[Bishop81]

The good thing about relics are that they guarantee you a good, relevant weapon to use regardless of what new content is thrown at you, this is including final coil. It's a long grind and whether its worth iis up to the individual.

At least with relics you make constant progress. Even if you beat T13 and have it on farm, there's no guarantee you'll get your i135 weapon to drop. You'll spend weeks just waiting to have another shot. Might as well pick up a relic while you're waiting.

Or you can just run ST a few times for an UAT and a sands.

[Nalien]

You had to enter Dynamis and fight difficult boss fights to obtain many of the key items necessary to finish it, there was no endless repeating of low level activities when it was first introduced

There was an endless repeating of Dynamis though... Farming currency for a Relic was possibly the worst grind ever conceived, I'd much rather do a variety of content than the same piece week after week...

Currency farming is, without a doubt, the main reason I loathed SE for making Mythics utter crap. The Mythic questline was amazing compared to the Relic one, such a shame the weapons didn't end up being worthwhile (then again I was a mage, my ultimate weapons were obtained at Lv51 for some idiotic reason). Yoshida should really aim to make XIV Relics more like the Mythic questline and throw in endgame content. We don't have to be doing the top endgame content here to obtain a Relic, but if the current quest had us doing First Coil for the new crafting materials? That wouldn't be too bad, and it would be a massive improvement on "Go do Aurum Vale". Why the hell didn't they at least tie in Crystal Tower to the Relic questline? It's casual as hell, but a raid is a raid. Relics could have been the weapon "drops" for Crystal Tower that way, too.

As much as I hated currency grinding as well, it certainly is an improvement on RNG. All RNG parts of the Relic quest should have functioned like XIs ancient currency; You can get lucky and have a 100 piece drop, but you're guaranteed to get plenty of single pieces which can be traded in for an 100 piece as well. Every FATE drops an Atma Shard, 100 Atma Shards = 1 Atma, and you can still get lucky and get an Atma to drop from a FATE. Oh look, RNG as something which benefits the player, rather than pissing them off.

[Sapphic]

Don't worry, Atma got nerfed. You have to be now a very unlucky person if you don't get 12 atmas within 1 week

Took me about 2hrs overall to get ATMA for my alt SCH after 2.4.

[Synestr]

I just love how people have rose tinted glasses when it comes to Xi. That was a grind on a whole different level. It took people years to acquire the necessary items to create one relic with the help of a huge amount of people and you are complaining about the grind needed for this? Get out go back to Xi for a few days and really remember what it was like, and make sure you take your glasses off.

In XI days, it took me around a year to get Amanomurakumo as I was the #3 SAM in our group. The grind for the relics there was, to me, the true essence of grind. Earning the currency alone was a PTIA, let alone farming pops for money drops. This quest line in XIV does take a while, but shouldn't it? The easiest we had it in this line is farming lights, aside from that we just sink our time into it. Choose to or not to do it. Simple as that.