Real Money to Get In-Game Currency: Eternal Bond Edition

[TurnBased]

^Eternal Bands were purchased with real life money. It is the sellers who have the advantage, not the buyers

[FateAudax]

^Eternal Bands were purchased with real life money. It is the sellers who have the advantage, not the buyers

Yes, so what's the concern then? What advantage does the seller have? More gils than you?

[TurnBased]

Yes

Again, it does not have to be game breaking to be P2W.

[tocsin]

Yes

Again, it does not have to be game breaking to be P2W.

if it isn't game breaking, its P2P, Pay to Progress, not P2W. P2W requires winning, which means breaking the game.

We proved a few pages ago that there is no conceivable way for gil alone to break the game or win the game, especially in such small amounts as they are selling for, so these bracelets alone are not P2W.

Next argument!

I'm sorry to be attempting to shut down this line of though, but we have been over it like 40 times already, and I want to see something new come out of my clicking on the thread sub.

[Magis]

if it isn't game breaking, its P2P, Pay to Progress, not P2W. P2W requires winning, which means breaking the game.

You have received an advantage, you have skipped the time investment compared to other players. You can get the best gear, both in combat and crafting classes with melded gear. You can skip large portions of the relic grind by just purchasing the materia vs grinding it. As well, you beat out other players in buying things like housing, materials, minions, etc without having to actually do anything besides punch in your credit card. You are literally paying to advance yourself in FFXIV. While you can't "win" in an MMO since there is no end, you are winning at the main point of the game which is advancement. Especially when it comes to things that are in directed competition with other players, IE the market. Cool, you can now buy the best house in the district, while those guys grinding and farming to get the money get screwed over. But it's not p2w guys.

This doesn't even cover the fact that this is being done while everyone pays a subscription fee. P2W wouldn't be as much as a problem if we weren't already paying a sub on top of things.

It's funny how those goal posts keep moving. Everyone was saying "oh it won't be P2W", and now it's "p2w is actually good guys".

[FateAudax]

without having to actually do anything besides punch in your credit card.

How often does these bands gets purchased till it reaches a point where you get gils the instant you punch in your credit card? Exaggeration much? Even before Eternal Bond came along, there are already a group of players who have the added advantage. They are able to afford huge housing and pentamelded crafted gears. They are called legacy players.

SE already said the bands are tradable as a mean for a partner to gift it to their other partner. The players are the ones who are to be blamed. The players who sells the band and the players buying the band.

This doesn't even cover the fact that this is being done while everyone pays a subscription fee.

Again, subscription do not entitle you to everything.

[tocsin]

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please look about 2 pages (at max page size) back for this.

melded combat gear bought instead of earned = direct DISadvantage.

melded crafting gear bought instad of earned = direct DISadvantage.

melded gathering gear bought instead of earned = neutral, the non main hand gear is the smallest part of the grind anyways.

housing = out of range of bracelet sales (lol 1 mil per bracelet. lets pay 20*30=600 dollars for a large house.)

materials = at the same time crunch as regular players. material costs are horrible anyways, most tiered crafted items are net loss anyways.

minions = LOL who cares, zero gameplay benefit, I don't even see them.

relic = specifically designed so gil cannot buy even 10% of it. its time gated, not gil-gated.

I can name 5 subscription based games with pure P2P (pay to progress) cash shops that have grown and prospered since adding the cash shop.

Now, I do support people being able to sell chunks of subscription time for gil, ala PLEX and CREDD. I think SE can make a fortune, and add to their playerbase doing so.

Lets keep going.

[TurnBased]

Those legacy players achieved their money through in-game means which is how it should be.

Yes, the developers have mentioned that the sale of the items were not intended. They did mention that if this continues to be a problem and if topics on the matter continue then they will take action. I'm just fulfilling the second part.

[Magis]

How often does these bands gets purchased till it reaches a point where you get gils the instant you punch in your credit card? Even before Eternal Bond came along, there are already a group of players who have the added advantage. They are able to afford huge housing and pentamelded crafted gears. They are called legacy players.

SE already said the bands are tradable as a mean for a partner to gift it to their other partner. The players are the ones who are to be blamed. The players who sells the band and the players buying the band.

Legacy players were segregated from others, and play on legacy servers which have their economies scaled differently due to the amount of gil in the system, so I dunno how that has to do with anything. A legacy server house will cost more than a non-legacy server house. As well, they achieved that wealth by playing the game, not trying to skip it through external means, which is the topic at hand. You are trying to deflect the argument here, you are saying that SE endorsed RMT isn't P2W and doesn't give the player an advantage and now are talking about non-cash shop stuff which SE had taken steps (and did a pretty good job) to avoid giving advantages to anyone.

Again, subscription do not entitle you to everything.

Sure, and SE can delete all our characters cause they feel like it. That's doesn't make it any less terrible. You might love to spend money to get SE to enabled a flag in your character's database entry, and then pay a monthly fee to see that virtual item or what have you, but others think it's shady as hell.

[lxChrisxl]

some people complain about everything. first you guys hated the cash shop and a lot said it'd be alright if you could get the items in game through gil, so players buy the bands and sell them for gil and now that's a terrible thing. just stop, gil doesn't make that much of a difference in this game and it's not hard to get without rmt'ing. if you have trouble making gil that's your problem, don't put your problems on other people. if you really want them to stop that means the only way to have platinum weddings would be through cash shop so stop complaining already for once.