RNG is Back with ZODIAC Relic

[Lemuria]

You're confusing long time grinding associating it with not being casual, because casuals are suposed to only play 1 hour a day? the rng is there intended to not let you get your weapons in 1 day, however people who really want their relics, invest more time in it, pushing it to the limits.

Being a casual player doesn't mean you want to keep playing yesterdays content. The problem this game has is that it's constantly gear-scaled. A new patch is released, a new bunch of dungeons come out and a whole new set of gear to grind up. Also, a whole new bunch of item levels required to take part.

You could 'casually' obtain Novus over the course of a year, but what would that achieve? You'd have a weapon which is not only unfinished, but completely antiquated even in its final form. Feel free to clean off the cobwebs, just don't expect it to be of much use for any of the 'current' content at that point. By which point you've already been able to obtain a nice level 110 or better weapon which does the job just fine. Ultimately you have to ask if it's worthwhile. I'd argue most would say no.

If they wanted relic to be casual friendly, they should have made the quests worth doing. People don't notice the grind when they're enjoying themselves, it's a fact. I didn't mind getting Zenith on every single class because it was varied and entertaining. I know that once I beat X mobs, kill a chimera, a hydra and three primals along with a few trades I get a shiny weapon. It has a fixed time frame I can work with, and a clear number of steps.

Moreover, each one of those steps is different and not repeated. Each boss fight has its own rules of engagement, and even a chance for loot to help your progress in future battles. It's like originality died after Zenith. It becomes a random grindfest. It's random whether you get your atma, it's random whether your Fate will spawn. It's random whether there's enough tanks and heals for your duty finder. It's random whether you can get that extra meld on your scroll. It's random if you get the item at the end of your dungeon.

...and for what? A weapon which offers NOTHING special. In fact, it's actually 5 levels LOWER than the current 'best' weapon in the game. So... why do we want this again?

[Edeline]

Being a casual player doesn't mean you want to keep playing yesterdays content. The problem this game has is that it's constantly gear-scaled. A new patch is released, a new bunch of dungeons come out and a whole new set of gear to grind up. Also, a whole new bunch of item levels required to take part.

You could 'casually' obtain Novus over the course of a year, but what would that achieve? You'd have a weapon which is not only unfinished, but completely antiquated even in its final form.

That's the point. It's not about achievement, it's about having fun playing the game while doing it. Besides, it's an optional weapon outside raiding, and it's more than a decent weapon to clear every content, they're not gonna give it for nearly no effort. And that effort you have to put in it is in casual mode. I've made 1 Nexus and 2 extra Novus weapons. One of the Novus is nearly done, and the other one is half way, all this done with expert, trial roulettes and a random dungeon here and there. If that's not casual, you tell me what it is.

[Keisatsu]

That's the point. It's not about achievement, it's about having fun playing the game while doing it. Besides, it's an optional weapon outside raiding, and it's more than a decent weapon to clear every content, they're not gonna give it for nearly no effort. And that effort you have to put in it is in casual mode. I've made 1 Nexus and 2 extra Novus weapons. One of the Novus is nearly done, and the other one is half way, all this done with expert, trial roulettes and a random dungeon here and there. If that's not casual, you tell me what it is.

Oh somebody that actually understands what I'm going on about, you don't have to commit all the time in the world to these things, just do them along with your daily things, roulettes and what-not and you'll be done at a casual, easy pace.
Since when do casuals care about what it would achieve? I for one certainly don't and yet here I am close to Excalibur / Aegis shield without having done T9 :s (though some will get their giggles making fun of me for that, I hardly care)

[Lemuria]

That's the point. It's not about achievement, it's about having fun playing the game while doing it. Besides, it's an optional weapon outside raiding, and it's more than a decent weapon to clear every content, they're not gonna give it for nearly no effort.

Except... it's not fun. It's not even remotely enjoyable. Where's the fun in endlessly grinding materia just to blow it up in 30 seconds? Where's the fun in grinding the gil necessary to PURCHASE the items you need to spiritbond? Where's the 'fun' in staying in a zone waiting on a Fate that hasn't spawned in the last 3 hours? If you consider any of those tasks 'fun', then you have a very warped sense of taste.

And that effort you have to put in it is in casual mode. I've made 1 Nexus and 2 extra Novus weapons. One of the Novus is nearly done, and the other one is half way, all this done with expert, trial roulettes and a random dungeon here and there. If that's not casual, you tell me what it is.

I don't believe you. For a start, it's literally impossible to do it this way. Assuming you had three atma's weapons to begin with when the alexandrite was released and you earned your alex using dailies, you could only complete 2.8 relic weapons to Novus. So, not even three of them.

That means you've must've put in effort to earn Alexandrite in different ways. Either via hunts (presumed) or using the maps, which are purchased using additional mythology at a rate of 800 per map or 400 soldiery more recently. Now comes the materia costs. You've melded 225 to get that far. Great. Now tally up how much that cost you. If it's not gil spent buying the materia, it's gil spent buying the materials to craft the spiritbond gear. If it's not gil spent doing either, then it's TIME spent doing the lot, which is considerably less casual.

So which is it? Throw lots of gil at it or spend ages on every tiny little aspect? Neither of which is a remotely 'casual' option.

[Canadane]

You imply that a casual approach must be gil bought. Which is simply untrue.

[Lemuria]

You imply that a casual approach must be gil bought. Which is simply untrue.

Read it again. I imply that a 'casual' approach requires that you EITHER spend a lot of gil or you farm literally EVERYTHING. The latter certainly doesn't sound very casual to me though, but it's fine if you don't mind waiting a year to actually finish the thing. Never mind that by then we'll have ilvl 140 weapons which are easier to obtain and more powerful to boot.

That is, of course, assuming that you're actually planning on melding anything remotely useful to your Novus. You could always stick on rubbish stats and get a weapon which is weak in both ilvl and secondaries, but surely that would defeat the purpose? Let's also not forget the 400k needed for the final step, so gil remains a factor regardless.

[Keisatsu]

Read it again. I imply that a 'casual' approach requires that you EITHER spend a lot of gil or you farm literally EVERYTHING. The latter certainly doesn't sound very casual to me though, but it's fine if you don't mind waiting a year to actually finish the thing. Never mind that by then we'll have ilvl 140 weapons which are easier to obtain and more powerful to boot.

That is, of course, assuming that you're actually planning on melding anything remotely useful to your Novus. You could always stick on rubbish stats and get a weapon which is weak in both ilvl and secondaries, but surely that would defeat the purpose? Let's also not forget the 400k needed for the final step, so gil remains a factor regardless.

You make it sound like either of those is hard for a casual..either I don't count as a casual because I can afford these easily whilst not even committing more than 3 hours a day at max on these things or you're underestimating us..or you're only speaking for yourself..

[Edeline]

I don't believe you. For a start, it's literally impossible to do it this way. Assuming you had three atma's weapons to begin with when the alexandrite was released and you earned your alex using dailies, you could only complete 2.8 relic weapons to Novus. So, not even three of them.

That means you've must've put in effort to earn Alexandrite in different ways. Either via hunts (presumed) or using the maps, which are purchased using additional mythology at a rate of 800 per map or 400 soldiery more recently. Now comes the materia costs. You've melded 225 to get that far. Great. Now tally up how much that cost you. If it's not gil spent buying the materia, it's gil spent buying the materials to craft the spiritbond gear. If it's not gil spent doing either, then it's TIME spent doing the lot, which is considerably less casual.

So which is it? Throw lots of gil at it or spend ages on every tiny little aspect? Neither of which is a remotely 'casual' option.

I meant that for Novus into Nexus transition. Also, you're taking it wrong again. You're saying hunts took effort (when someone posts you the locs and you just spend 2 mins there), or casual myth gain from frontlines. Everything about relic is casual, but doesn't mean it's not long, but if you keep thinking being casual has to do anything with time put in it, you're still wrong.