FFXIV - A Step to P2W (My 2.45 Feedback)

[tocsin]

So, to win I have to have gear that doesn't exist? ilvl135 is only the weapon slot.

So, to win I have to have 8/11 doh/dol capped? You aren't making any sense here.

So, being able to level a craft from 1-50 with indirect RMT without ever crafting anything isn't P2W? I thought exp pots were considered P2W.

I'd keep going, but you won't listen.

LOL, shows how much I know about endgame battle gear. I cant even clear hard mode or expert dungeons, let alone turns.

but it makes my point, that unless they are achieving something that would actually require difficulty for a person to acheive without said gil, it really isnt winning, its just substituting time/RL money for progress.

While helping other people to progress, in the meantime, by spending that gil funding the crafters of the server.

I'm trying to listen, and im faintly getting your point, I just grew up in EVE online, so this isnt anything new, and I see where this goes.

[Sibyll]

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If I'm understanding your post correctly, you don't think Bracelets (or Dyes) are P2W because these items were not intended to be traded for gil, effectively RMTing without breaking ToS?

[Kuolema]

If I'm understanding your post correctly, you don't think Bracelets (or Dyes) are P2W because these items were not intended to be traded for gil, effectively RMTing without breaking ToS?

I don't consider them pay to win because there really is nothing to win in this game. Are people supposed to be impressed because someone beat the final coil? Or can craft 4 star items? At the end of the day people will play this game how they want to and if they want to spend real world money to make in game money, all the power to them. I fail to see why it is such a big deal.

[Raveykins]

I am from Balmung. Our PF was flooded with people selling these and buying these. Some were doing it for vanity reasons, others to make a profit. People, sadly, will always be greedy.
Some armors that are i110 and crafted go from anywhere to 1m-5m depending on quality and melds. When people buy these bands, and sell them for in game profit, it is foreseeable that yes some will buy them with in real money, sell it for in game money and then, yes, use them for an in game advantage without doing any work.
What I think they could do is make it so that you can gift these bands. But the person recieving one, it should instantly Spiritbind to 1% on a person, and subsequently the one recieving the other as a gift, should also instantly SB to 1% once they recieve it as a gift.

[tocsin]

If I'm understanding your post correctly, you don't think Bracelets (or Dyes) are P2W because these items were not intended to be traded for gil, effectively RMTing without breaking ToS?

no, we think they are not pay to win because you cannot win with gil alone. especially with how little the bracelets are selling for. 10 mil is nothing in this game.

i110 is also nothing in this game.

a fully geared crafter without any master books is worth a little to this game, but not much.

[Raveykins]

no, we think they are not pay to win because you cannot win with gil alone. especially with how little the bracelets are selling for. 10 mil is nothing in this game.

i110 is also nothing in this game.

a fully geared crafter without any master books is worth a little to this game, but not much.

I mean any that is fresh to 50 and not even out of the main story yet. I could see it being used this way. I understand that yes it's nothing to those that craft. I myself craft, I enjoy it.

SE did make it harder to gear, via RNG and dungeons drops being mostly crafting mats unfortunately. I was more so just offering up a opinion and a solution. Because it is plausible that people could and do use the bracelets to to gain an advantage in some cases. I am however not saying all do it.

But just main story alone and nothing in crafting and or gathering and no spiritbonding, it is not very feasible for people to have enough money in game yet to get these things so they can get the ilvl to even get into some said dungeons.

Basically, I can see how it can be used to gain an advantage over others. The Devs don't want these bands to be used in this fashion, thus they should not. But again, there are always people looking for an easy way out and or in.

[Taliph]

no, we think they are not pay to win because you cannot win with gil alone. especially with how little the bracelets are selling for. 10 mil is nothing in this game.

i110 is also nothing in this game.

a fully geared crafter without any master books is worth a little to this game, but not much.

Ilvl110 bypasses gearing for dungeon reqs.

A fully geared crafter is a few macros and a 90%+ hq rotation from having mastercraft books.

And refering to your earlier comment regarding eve, the monuments in jita and amarr burned for weeks till ccp started handing out temp bans when monocles were introduced.

[RickXRolled]

Think of the benefits of legal RMT:

1. Allows those who don't have the money/payment option to get platinum wedding to buy it for in-game currency which they CAN get.
2. SE gets their 40$ for a marriage regardless if it was the original buyer.
3. Player generated currency is in circulation, not illegal rmt gil.
4. Less business for illegal rmt(if people could pay for illegal rmt gil to then buy cash shop items from another player they might as well buy the cash shop item themselves.)
5. Gil has some actual use. (There are plenty of people sitting on millions of gil not knowing what to spend it on.)
6. Freedom of choice on how to get the cash shop items instead of it being real money exclusive.

Those are some benefits I can think of at the moment.

Here is an example without legal rmt:

Player A has a nice paying job, but doesn't have much time to play and farm gil. He wishes to buy a house but can't.
Player B is a student/unemployed living in mom's basement/poor, but has way to much time to play and farm gil. He wants to get married to his G.I.R.L. waifu using the highest tier ceremony but can't.

Here is an example with legal rmt:

Player A buys platinum wedding bands and sells them to player B. Player A can now make gil to buy a house! Player A is happy.
Player B spends some of his useless gil on Player A's wedding bands. Player B can now get married to his G.I.R.L waifu using the highest tier ceremony and enjoy some delusional happiness.

[Bishop81]

Makes one think, just how long will it be until content is designed to "spur" cash shop spending as one of design objectives.

Think of the benefits of legal RMT:
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Fine. Drop the sub.

[Spellbinder]

no, we think they are not pay to win because you cannot win with gil alone. especially with how little the bracelets are selling for. 10 mil is nothing in this game.

Wow, 10 million gil? They're 1.5 on my server.