FFXIV - A Step to P2W (My 2.45 Feedback)

[tocsin]

I edited my post, I am sorry for that.

P2W is not only clearing FCoB. P2W is simply a term used to state getting an unfair advantage without actually playing the game, but by paying real money. If we use your wording then it would also not be P2W to be able to pay for ilvl 120 gear. Since well, even if you have ilvl120 gear you still have to go into FCoB and clear it, right? Do I get that right?

Can you just answer this please: Are people able to get an ADVANTAGE (one way or another) by selling bracelets in-game? If your answer is yes, then it is P2W. If your answer is no, then there is no use to keep discussing since we are on completely different worlds.

We pay a subscription to SE for the advantage of being able to play the game in the first place.

To answer that, yes, there is a way to gain an advantage in-game by selling bracelets. buying i120 gear in game isnt one of them, if ever it is a disadvantage because people will see that gear, assume that experience is behind it, and go try to tackle more than the player behind the 120 gear can handle.

if someone uses the money to buy all the crafter bis equipment, he is also at a disadvantage, because he hasnt worked out exactly why macros work the way they do, and how or when to modify them to fit certain situations. this makes him a weaker crafter, and results in more nq items than an equally geared skilled one.

The way I can see someone gaining an advantage via selling bracelets for money is by investing that money into making more profit on the mb. you can gain a fair amount of buying power for mats and such for 10 mil, which can be manipulated into enough gil to win with. this takes skill, though, and if someone has enough gil to do this, they most likely did it already without resorting to p2w tactics.

[Evenstar]

But don't you agree with me that Square can fix the whole problem by simply changing the way the bracelets work? I just do not get why people are against changing it or why people are defending it. There is a way to get an (unfair) advantage by using real money. I think everyone accepts that. So why not speak up and make Square change it? Why defend it? Why make up 1001 excuses to keep it the way it is?

I am not against a cash shop, I am against items in the cash shop that can be abused to get an advantage that was not intended. Minions, mounts, all fine for me as long as they keep adding fun stuff for free too. Dyes and bracelets should be changed so none can make a profit in-game by using real money.

Dyes > make the dyed item spiritbound
Bracelets > there are 1001 ways discuss on several topics already how to avoid this

[Adrian74]

As it is right now, after reading around 50 replies about the same....I start to thing that you can't just try to make some people enter in reason after all, it's like if they'd read and automatically delete whatever they read about for imaigning it in a different pink world... Reaching this point I think the only thing I can answer for them is this:



It is not necessary, it has no use trying to discuss some things at all. (I hope at least they'd realize they can't try to paint blue a house when they only have red colors on hand, and it won't matter how many times you prove and tell them they have red paint, they'll still think it is blue, metallic blue.)

[Aegis]

In other news, there was an official statement that SE does not wish for players to continue selling the Bracelets for Gil. They have not mentioned anything other than that, but they said they may be looking into it.

Well the other thing they mentioned in that same statement is that it isn't against TOS and no action will be taken against those that do it.

It's a bit intellectually dishonest to leave out that part of the statement.

The statement essentially boils down to "Well, sure you can do it. But if you do, I will be disappointed. There may even be stern looks, young man!"

I think if we keep up with it, they may even wag a finger at us.

[AdamFyi]

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I'm sure you've left a bad impression on me, as well as a few others, but I'll just leave it at that. If you actually read my posts, you will see that I do not support selling the Bracelets for Gil, but I do argue that this isn't a pay-to-win by standards because of the way the core mechanics of the game is handled and how this issue presents itself. What you and a lot of people have been doing is shoving your opinions down other people's throats because they don't agree and then attacking them for it.

Had you or the OP worded your posts more carefully, I'm sure I would agree more to some extent. You aren't helping your side of the argument by doing that, and resorting to personal attacks just because people disagree with you won't help either. That's just plain rude.

I think if we keep up with it, they may even wag a finger at us.

Probably. Unless there is a major consequence to the server economies to gaining Gil from selling the Bracelets (which was actually brought up earlier in the topic!), I don't see them doing anything major for now. However, I can see them restrict the way the Cash Shop handles the bracelets in the near future, or maybe possibly lock away the Eternal Bond system until they can figure out a solution. Just my thoughts on the matter. I do hope they resolve this soon. :/

[Taliph]

wow, resorting to name calling to try to force a point that is arguable? a bit low.

unless you can show me how 10 mil gil can instantly make you "win the game", without any skill or work whatsoever, your point is also invalid.

"win the game" defined as: completed final coil w/ a full set of i135 BiS gear, 8 fully 4 star BiS crafters and gatherers w/ all mastercraft books and related achievements, or all achievements unlocked.

unless one of these are achieved, you arent paying to win. you may be paying for progress, but its going to take a lot more than that to do anything notable.

So, to win I have to have gear that doesn't exist? ilvl135 is only the weapon slot.

So, to win I have to have 8/11 doh/dol capped? You aren't making any sense here.

So, being able to level a craft from 1-50 with indirect RMT without ever crafting anything isn't P2W? I thought exp pots were considered P2W.

I'd keep going, but you won't listen.

[Evenstar]

So, to win I have to have gear that doesn't exist? ilvl135 is only the weapon slot.

So, to win I have to have 8/11 doh/dol capped? You aren't making any sense here.

So, being able to level a craft from 1-50 with indirect RMT without ever crafting anything isn't P2W? I thought exp pots were considered P2W.

I'd keep going, but you won't listen.

No they won't and then they will say we are not choosing our words carefully.

Like I said, I am a raider and I am in favor of a cash shop but this has to change. This simply is P2W.

[Metabug]

They've already added wedding bracelets. What prevents them from adding tradable "vanity" gear?
Housing?
Potions?
Materia?
Gear?
Weapons?

[Kuolema]

They've already added wedding bracelets. What prevents them from adding tradable "vanity" gear?
Housing?
Potions?
Materia?
Gear?
Weapons?

I'm pretty sure they have learned their lesson from the bracelets. So please don't be all doom and gloom on an issue that probably won't happen.

[Kuolema]

No they won't and then they will say we are not choosing our words carefully.

Like I said, I am a raider and I am in favor of a cash shop but this has to change. This simply is P2W.

The thing is what are you really winning? It is a video game not real life. If people can't make that distinction then I feel sorry for them.