Cash Shop: Stifling development.

[Roris]

I just think it's really funny how people come up with silly justifications for stuff especially the Wedding band debacle. All these over convoluted mental gymnastics on how borderline RMT band selling is good because SE is making money, only for all those threads to be shut down and those arguments to mean nothing because you know, SE actually is against that aspect of the cash shop. In the end that defense and justification really means nothing, and that's how it should be.

[HakuroDK]

Did they mention anything about the dyes? I only saw mention of the bracelets.

The dyes are completely 100% untradeable. I know because I have tried trading dyes as gifts to friends and it's just not possible to trade. Anyone trying to sell these dyes on the Party Finder is scamming you.

[polyphonica]

The dyes are completely 100% untradeable. I know because I have tried trading dyes as gifts to friends and it's just not possible to trade. Anyone trying to sell these dyes on the Party Finder is scamming you.

What they're trying to sell is the act of dyeing items using those dyes. Presumably you give them the item, they dye it, and then trade it back.

[Koenignovi]

What they're trying to sell is the act of dyeing items using those dyes. Presumably you give them the item, they dye it, and then trade it back.

It's like having another crafter meld a materia for you over a trade window. This is done in similar fashion, which, I do not see a problem with.

In fact, I do not see a problem with any of this. At the point you buy the item from cash shop, it is up to you to do with it as you will. If people are not asking for RMT of the item, then it is up to the players to determine the worth of the item in question. That's called economics...

So SE splashed the economy a bit... they do that in every new content update. Especially crafting heavy content updates. People will always find a way to play the system at the start to get the biggest reward out of it. In one month time, I'm sure this will die down and things will start to stablize, as they always do. Why people are making this out to be such a shit storm is beyond me.

SE is a business like any other in this world. They make games and content for games as a business. They are not here to make things for you for free... nothing is free. You sub pays for the basic game/service. They are making additions available for you if you so wish to buy them. If you feel this is unjust, I'm sorry to burst your bubble but this is how business works. As does most of the world you live in.

I don't go into a game shop and buy a PS4 and then stair at the cashier asking where are my free games since I just bought the console. You have to buy the extra stuff for the damn thing. This is the same thing. GET OVER IT!... GAH!Sd ajsdkljas;dlkja;skdj;ask;dkaljsda;skajbsdkasuhdyuashdljkb /faceroll

[NoloeTazier]

How about, instead of looking at the future and speculating that the devs will ask "can we monetize this?" for future content, look at the present at the content they did not monetize. They could have monetized the false moustache item. snip~

Everything in the event will be in the cash shop after the event is over, so yes it will be monetized lol.

[Felis]

Everything in the event will be in the cash shop after the event is over, so yes it will be monetized lol.

Not until next year.
Get it now and you don't have to buy it.

[Alistaire]

If you play for vanity the game isn't worth your paying for anymore unless you don't mind paying those extra fees, because it's pretty obvious you will always have to now.

Completely disagree with this; there's more and more opportunities for costume design and the older options just get better with more combos. Things like making the mistbeard mask dyeable, such a tiny detail and I've already put it to use AND had several people told me I've "made their day" because of them finding this out. There are still very few vanity choices with a non-subscription price tag. SE has been very generous in making up for mistakes, thinking specifically of the 2 gold dyes sent to people who haven't even levelled retainers to get them, but also look at this: They've said right out the trade of marriage bracelets is not RMT but are STILL considering changing the system somehow because these threads keep popping up. If I was of the ridiculous notion that a cash shop is bad/immoral or whatever, I'd still have absolutely no problem playing all kinds of vanity in this game.

Let's take another random example: the behemoth knives. Clearly there was no need for this item to be implemented. SE makes a new job, figures it'll be popular (and is right about that), revitalizes some old content purely for the sake of vanity. They might not make every vanity piece everyone can dream about, but they've clear got the vanity-inclined in mind.

[Parodine]

Which, as the developers have said, is not an intended function that, if it continues, will be shut down. It was an oversight on a feature, and that armband was intended to be given to one's partner in much the same way as an engagement ring is given from one person to another.

Also, with that, I refer to buying bis items directly with cash.

Not to be all doom and gloom, but if they were really that concerned with it, it would have already been hotfixed.

They benefit too much from the mad rush people made to buy them from their shop to do anything about it until it goes out of vogue.

[Jynx]

My only concern is that while still rather new, asides the basic treadmill content we are not getting much content coming into the game. The time they spent planning out how to squeeze every last dollar out of the wedding stuff could have been put elsewhere.

Back in the day they used to add content to make your subscription maintain value, now it seems people justify cash shop purchases with stuff like "Well it costs money make content you know right?" many games continue to this day with more content coming out regularilly without a cash shop.

What about the things that haven't cost them a dime to put in the cash shop? Let's even put Slepnir aside. The new dyes...do you think it actually takes them any time at all to shift a few color slider? Selling previous years seasonal event items, instead of either.

A: Keeping them rare rewarding the people who obtained them when they were available
B: Bring them back every year while still adding more content to make the event's have more and more and more content ever year.

They have instead decided to cut the previous content and give (Figurative of course) a kick to the groin to those who have...

A: Obtained the content last year, making it less of a achievment to have it as it can just be bought.
B: Punish those who weren't around last year by making them purchase it if they so desire (Content that has allready been in the game developed, animated, rigged, skinned, whatever other costs you want to slap on to them)
C: For those who missed it and don't want to cough up cash are screwed and the events continue to roll out with the same ammount of content year after year.

Instead of seasonal events building upon themselves year after year, they segregate it and put a big paywall behind content that has allready been developed for the game. Our subscriptions aren't just to "Open the gates" as so many people think. The subscription is to make them money (They do hand over fist allready without a cash shop) and pay to continue to make the game and keep it updated. Nobody pays any other game a subscription fee to just "Open the door" only MMO's now that they have integrated microtransactions within the game.

Christ I've payed less than $5.00 for games that cost nothing to play online and are constantly updated new content added on a consistant basis. You can't justify the cash shop with "Costs" because those costs are part of why we allready pay for the damn game! It certainly doesn't cost them that much to roll out 3 new dungeons (2 that often use heavilly recycled content) maybe a trial, a handfull of craftablem items (If we are lucky). I just don't see where the whole "Costs" part of the justification comes from.

[Tupsi]

My only concern is that while still rather new, asides the basic treadmill content we are not getting much content coming into the game.

Because they're focusing on 3.0, as stated.

Back in the day they used to add content to make your subscription maintain value

They do now - vanity items aren't what "maintains value" even if you play for it solely, no MMORPG survives on vanity alone - They all need raid content or other kind of tangle content that extends the life of the game.

They have instead decided to cut the previous content

Name one raid content that's in the cash shop - I'll wait.

For those who missed it

Your join date is 2011 - You know full well if you missed an event before you had no chance of getting the item again unless it rotated in twice. The -only- exception they made is because of the game relaunching they added in past event items as you probably (obviously) didn't know this, but the majority of event items are 1.0 items. Therefore when ARR launched they gave people a chance to get the items they missed from 1.0 (due to missing event or not playing it) that year and said it will only be in one rotation. No cash shop were implemented in 2010-2013 despite Wada wanting one.

Instead of seasonal events building upon themselves year after year

They do something new every year - as people requested them to do. You're basically arguing against a change the players themselves voted for.

Christ I've payed less than $5.00 for games that cost nothing to play online

Good for you - I guarantee many have microtransactions or are "Early Access."

are constantly updated new content added on a consistant basis.

You know what Square Enix MMO does this? FFXI.

You can't justify the cash shop

The only justification here is: "We know people will pay money for x vanity."

Face it - Just about every single MMO has a cash shop or microstransactions of some kind - You people wanted SE to follow the norm with FFXIV ARR, you got it. Be careful what you wish for, as the saying goes.