Cash Shop: Stifling development.

[Zumi]

It's a fact nobody wants to have to pay more money for a product in this case a game. The thing is the way companies make money a lot of money on games these days involves micro transactions. We are in the dlc / mobile in app purchase / micro transaction game era where companies are expected to make supplemental income on optional content and that isn't going to change any time soon. Back in the 80s and 90s when you bought a Nintendo game and you got the whole game for the purchase price that really doesn't exist anymore because almost everything now has micro transactions. You will be hard pressed to find any recent mmo that doesn't have a cash shop even if they do have a subscription.

Making all these forum topics about how you don't like them isn't going to make them go away. The damage has already been done enough people buy into micro transactions that it makes companies a large enough profit that they will continue to exist in almost every video game.

[Tupsi]

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Exactly - At this point in time if the practice were going to change it would have changed by now. There's still multiple MMORPG models and all this doom and gloom "Oh god they're adding past content to cash shop!" doesn't exist. The only argument people have is when they play semantics and say: "Well this worthless event armor is content!" I miss when you can buy a game and have a lot of bonus material in it without having to pay more.

Sadly though, gamers proven they want to throw more money at the same game they bought. You really can't fault a company for cashing in on that, just like you can't fault your favorite food place charging extra when you decide you want a larger size. It's simply industry standard. What did people say all throughout 1.0 including Yoshida?

"FFXIV should be a standard MMORPG."

Guess people simply forgot cash shops were standard in MMOs lol.

[Squa11_Leonhart]

i love how people that aren't even developers, nor are part of the ffxiv dev teams are coming out and saying such and such is stifling development.






and tend to be the same people who give money to the likes of another company for the same game every year.... oh wait... it had a dog this year, with fur!.

[Jynx]

and tend to be the same people who give money to the likes of another company for the same game every year.... oh wait... it had a dog this year, with fur!.

I would love to see where you came by the assumption that I even play Call of Duty, to be honest I abhore the series, not much of a FPS fan to be honest. I'm a fan of the Final Fantasy series because more often than not their games wether good or bad have been wildly different. To the point that just because I'm not a game developer, I don't see how that means I can't see the writing on the wall or make my own assumptions. This is a forum for discussion afterall is it not? I do find it hillarious how hard people try to stop others from sharing their ideas and get upset when a hot topic tends to eat up space on the front page especially when it's something they don't agree with.

I and anyone else who feels like opening a thread has the freedom to do so as long as we add to the discussion and don't rehash what has allready been said. Like I said in my original post I feel most people haven't really discussed how the cash shop effects the value of their subscription or the long term effects such as player retention due to the fact that if they follow this road to the end they will wind up with a game as with much less content available to subscribers as any game that has avoided a cash shop.

complain about the complaints all you want but as paying subscribers we have every right to discuss how we feel our money is spent.

[Squa11_Leonhart]

you didn't spend any money on the cash shop, so you have no right to comment or discuss what is in it affecting your play experience.

your subscription keeps your player character(s) active, the servers up and nothing more. Anything content wise is extra.



Jesus, when i was a kid we got a game console, a game cartridge and played the game as is, including experiencing any permanent bugs.

This entitled generation makes me sick.

[Cynric]

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You made me laugh just now. That's part of why people get so upset. Back in the day you pay your $$ you get your game and everything in it. However during this day and age developers will purposefully leave things out of main games to use as DLC, or put them into the game right on the disc but make it so you have to pay extra to unlock it. Where as back in the day if you held back on putting something in the game it wasn't to put a price tag on it, it was because of time, or developing issues.

There's a benefit and a drawback to everything.


Back in my day unlocking something meant you had to beat something extra.

Now and days it means you have to pay $9.99.

[Jynx]

makes me sick.

I.... I don't even know where to start with this or if I should even bother.

I'll just be the bigger man in this and leave it alone and not stoop to personal insults. I mean first you acuse me of being a CoD Bro-gamer swigging mountain dew while I await the next cloned game with bated breath....then call me entitled for wanting my payment to be for something new and interesting when I should just...

Pay my subscription and be happy with getting cloned content...

Do you see the double standard here or am I just crazy?

[silentwindfr]

Cash shops do not stifle development. They aid development. Sure there will always be people dedicated to producing content for the cash shop, but the money from that ostensibly goes towards paying for the development of other content.
New content is expensive, moreso than you'd believe.

ok this part did make me laughs a lot, i did prove in other thread that it was flawed as argument, since they did get tons of cash per month from the subscription. if the cash shop was needed for do other content we will have pass in free to play for age.
it's naive to believe that cash shop money will be used on FF14 only. since the release of FF14 a good part of the game they did release was fund with our subs, don't be idiot and ignore this. even with counting half of the subs is used for the dev, the maintenance and stuff like this they still finish with more of a few million. a game is expensive true... but mmorpg content are not that expensive. or the genre will have die age ago.

same your comment look like the one of a free to play player that ok with this, since the game rely only on the cash shop for get money. where it fail it's the fact that we are in subs game, and the subs of 2.000.000 people is far more enough for be good. just like this, yoshida did said in the past that only 500.000 people was enough for make of FF14 a succes.then what it is with 4 times this number?

most of the pro cash shop player have a narrow vision of the situation and seems to forget the past. some say the people against the cash shop are paranoid or such... however we do have precedence of game that did switch from p2p to f2p after the release of the cash shop.

finally i want to add something, i'm not against the cash shop in general, i'm against it into a subs game... why this? because each month i already support game with my subs! i'm ok to support a company or a game that evolve a lot... but there... i feel from the last patch that the cash shop is only there for grabs more cash! than really add content or help the game! i'm not the only one waiting the live letter of the 21, because people await an answer, people deserve to know what will be the futur of the game... and like said countless time before to see where will be the line that the cash shop will not cross... since the eternal bonding was a mess, a horrible way to do stuff!

ps: if i was me, i will have fired a few of the marketing team for them poor jobs and them decision to do stuff like this. because it's not the dev team nor yoshida decision, but the SE marketing team.

[Tupsi]

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You know what the biggest irony of this kind of statement? Not what you said personally, but whenever you say:

"Back in the day"

or

"How x game was"

or

"How x practice was"

Most people in the FFXIV community tell you to get over it, or move on or "This isn't x year, this is 2014" - yet when it comes to the cash shop, it's perfectly ok to start referencing how things "used to be" when before it was a cardinal sin to do so lol. Sadly this isn't 1996 or 2001, this is 2014, where cash shops are standard.

[silentwindfr]

@Tupsi; without defend him, if it was most of the people of FF14 like you say, you will have seen less thread.trouble there lie in the fact that some people don't care of this situation and simply think is optional it will not affect me.
you want to know what for me is optional? some skin of glamour based on previous FF game, this is optional is not link to the game in anyway. crazy mount that seems almost impossible to exist in the game, this is optional...
but there we do get stuff that come directly from the game, taken from the developed content with the subs investement. do it feel right to make content like this and after decide to switch it behind a paywall, into a subs game? no definitivly not... indeed we are in a age where a lot of player simply don't realize how bad the microtransaction affect the gaming industry and simply say:"quiet take my money!"

but we did reach a point where we have the game developper making game for only get cash, we are far of the period where the game was done because they was loving to do this. it did become a market. it's sad and the truth... but i will say this, do the american was ok with the english leading them life? nope, did they simply have accept it because it was normal and it was the era that was wanting this? nope... they fight back against it!

that the same point if you don't fight against stuff that you don't like... you will regret it later. it our right and duty as player to make them know that some custom mustn't be let continue.

finally i will ask you something stupid: if everybody jump of the bridge and go die, you will do the same?

ps: people are free to have them opinion on stuff, it's not because people accept that it make it acceptable as custom. micro transaction are often pointed as bad... sadly a large part of the player simply refuse to see the power into them hand and refuse to fight back. it's a fun, it's not important, it's optional, it don't affect me, i don't care.... all of this are simply the lack of will to dedicated yourself to a cause in a way.

just saying, all the thread had an impact, at the start only the platinum had the mount, now even the gold have it.