Group doesn't have a BRD, how are melee supposed to dps?

[EdgeFayth]

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Third, T12 and T13 have enough breaks that TP isn't a problem. T10 and T11 do not. You need a BRD for those.

Unfortunetely, no...
I do not play peon on T10, and we do not have problem, even with a Nin in the team.

[Kiokin]

Unfortunetely, no...
I do not play peon on T10, and we do not have problem, even with a Nin in the team.

Could I get a parse? He has to be sacrificing dps to not run out of tp.

[aerolol]

Time your invigorates better?

As soon as your TP is at 600 use it. (500 for DRG)
Then use it as soon as it is up again.

Ninja can even Goad you to help.

It is doable.

[EdgeFayth]

No I don't have any parse, I am playing on PS4.
But we killed it before enrage easily, despite "bad" stuff (funny thing: we are clearing T10 for weeks but never got DPS items, only tanks, healer or non played dps items).
He manages his TP properly, and it works.

[SolarMisae]

Time your invigorates better?

As soon as your TP is at 600 use it. (500 for DRG)
Then use it as soon as it is up again.

Ninja can even Goad you to help.

It is doable.

Doable yes, my group beats enrage and does not use paeon, but as a ninja usually by the later half of the fight I'm running on fumes waiting for each tick between hits for a good while while invig is down. Yes, this is with proper invig usage.

That said, there is no such thing as "managing" tp that people keep saying, we are not healers managing mp, we cannot keep our resources full without serious sacrifice to our dps. All that is is popping invigorate at 580 - 600 tp (mnk/nin/brd) or 480 - 500 tp for drg, then you just pop it whenever it's up after that. The ONLY way to NOT run out in T10 and T11 is to straight up slow down between attacks which...yeah just don't do that.

In these fights you WILL run low on tp, if you don't you're not dpsing enough.

[Kiokin]

Time your invigorates better?

As soon as your TP is at 600 use it. (500 for DRG)
Then use it as soon as it is up again.

Ninja can even Goad you to help.

It is doable.

Geez do you people read...I am the Ninja, so yeah, so much Goad.

Am I even surprised the people posting nonsense aren't even melee dps?

[Atreides]

Geez do you people read...I am the Ninja, so yeah, so much Goad.

Am I even surprised the people posting nonsense aren't even melee dps?

Amen to that, everytime I read we need to manage our tp better....
Seriously we're not summoners, we don't have a skill that gives us TP back instead of dealing damage, our only option is to really slow down and wait for TP which isn't really an option imo.
I mean if you have a Ninja in the group we take care of our MNK and BRD TP needs but we're getting shafted by our own TP...
Especially if I see Monks with a Ninja in their group saying the nerf to TP usage was needed I wanna hit them in the face, I mean seriously TP isn't really an issue for them if they have a Ninja but it's okay if we run out?

[Ellatrix]

If you do not run dry on TP in any FCoB fight without a BRD, you are not playing the class properly.

[ruskie]

That said, there is no such thing as "managing" tp that people keep saying, we are not healers managing mp, we cannot keep our resources full without serious sacrifice to our dps. All that is is popping invigorate at 580 - 600 tp (mnk/nin/brd)

Actually better to pop it at around 520-560 there. That way you get it back and usually will coincide with the natural TP regen tick to full 1000 along with an autoattack.

As a bard though I will often be the first out of TP anyway due to not having to move to targets and reposition and so on(there are TP ticks between there). I learned to manage my TP - first thing for me was drop my skillspeed a lot(around 350-400 is where I find it acceptable for longer fights). It also depends if there are many targets or few. If many I'll be out of TP even faster due to dots. So usually am the first to use inv in any raid we are doing.

[Sunako]

Ask that monk reroll ninja and goad each others :P