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    Player Amused's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    How are they abusing me? Its items I don't care about
    Every time. Every single time people try to tell us to just shut up and deal with the cash shop, this is your mentality.

    "Oh, these are items I don't care about, so nobody else should."

    Quote Originally Posted by Jacost View Post
    Taking advantage of us would be increasing the sub instead of having a cash shop, because that's forcing a large portion of the playerbase to pay for things they don't want.
    Oh, it's OK just because not everyone cares about it. So the people who ARE getting screwed over should just shut up and deal with it.

    Time and time again, this is the only argument you people have against this.

    What's it like being so self-absorbed that you can't bring yourselves to care about the well-being of others?
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    Last edited by Amused; 12-11-2014 at 02:40 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amused View Post
    snip
    Just like time and time again everyone on the other side's argument is that OMFG ITS GONNA BE PLAY2WIN. Which it clearly IS NOT, because it's freaking minions, and if it was there's this little thing called FREE WILL. If I look at a game and feel like it is predatory, then I'll go "Oh, I dont like this or paying this much money, I'm out" and stop playing.

    If you HONESTLY believe that not being able to get a doll in a video game is ABUSE, then stop playing. And also, stop trying to portray people who decide they're okay with using their hard-earned money the way they want as uneducated sheeple. Its false equivalency to say that because you feel like something is unfair it makes people who are okay with it unintelligent or gullible.

    Again, I wanted the items, bought them, feel fine. Sorry if that breaks your tender little heart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_Angeles View Post
    Just like time and time again everyone on the other side's argument is that OMFG ITS GONNA BE PLAY2WIN. Which it clearly IS NOT, because it's freaking minions, and if it was there's this little thing called FREE WILL. If I look at a game and feel like it is predatory, then I'll go "Oh, I dont like this or paying this much money, I'm out" and stop playing.
    You are so near sighted.

    It's cute that you yet again mock the people that this effects as "being upset for not being able to get a doll in a video game", when the reality of it is, that it's about much more than just these few items we have in the shop now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_Angeles View Post
    If I look at a game and feel like it is predatory, then I'll go "Oh, I dont like this or paying this much money, I'm out" and stop playing.
    Again, you're clearly demonstrating that you only care about your own interests.

    If I

    Then I'll

    I don't

    I'm out
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amused View Post
    whatever this was
    Are you intentionally thick? I said if it became play to win, there's always the option to say "No, I'm not okay with this" and stop playing. If you feel like its unfair, than why would you play?

    And yes, I put it in terms of "I" so let me translate because I understand reading comprehension is hard:

    "If YOU look at a game and feel like it is predatory, then YOU HAVE EVERY OPTION TO GO "Oh, I (AS IN YOU) dont like this or paying this much money, I'm (AS IN YOU'RE) out" and stop playing.

    Jeez I hope they have a potion at the cash shop to cure my OBVIOUS DEEP SEATED SELF CENTEREDNESS.

    Also... "so self-absorbed you can't think about the well being of others?" Dude, this ain't life or death, its a game. If you're going to say I lack compassion than you certainly seem to lack perspective something fierce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amused View Post
    Every time. Every single time people try to tell us to just shut up and deal with the cash shop, this is your mentality.

    "Oh, these are items I don't care about, so nobody else should."



    Oh, it's OK just because not everyone cares about it. So the people who ARE getting screwed over should just shut up and deal with it.

    Time and time again, this is the only argument you people have against this.
    You said SE is abusing all of us, which is not true. I don't see any more money coming out of my pocket than the amount I pay per month and still have access to all content in the game with no paywall standing in my way. Again, being over dramatic, it is minions, not Dreadwyrm gear.
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    Last edited by Velhart; 12-11-2014 at 02:51 AM.

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    The MAJORITY of the player base plays the game to progress through the story and dungeons. A small minority is heavily into crafting and to an even smaller degree is the vanity crowd. SE will always cater to the majority as that is where the profit lies.

    No one is forcing people to buy these items. People buy these items because they have the money to buy them and they want them. Quite honestly SE could expand the cash shop to include X amount of gil and items and I would be fine with that to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuolema View Post
    The MAJORITY
    Again, your only argument is that we shouldn't care because other people don't.

    "Why do you care that all those innocent people died? The majority doesn't care, it doesn't effect them, or their lives."

    I know that this is taking it to an extreme, but it's the same type of principal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amused View Post
    Again, your only argument is that we shouldn't care because other people don't.

    "Why do you care that all those innocent people died? The majority doesn't care, it doesn't effect them, or their lives."

    I know that this is taking it to an extreme, but it's the same type of principal.
    Are you comparing digital minions and mounts to the death of innocent people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    Are you comparing digital minions and mounts to the death of innocent people?
    Are you illiterate? Did you not read what I said right below it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amused View Post
    Are you illiterate? Did you not read what I said right below it?
    I did read below it, it doesn't make your statement any less offensive.
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