FFXIV - A Step to P2W (My 2.45 Feedback)

[XNihili]

P2W is not you can pay to win, it is you have to pay to win.
Why would you care if some guy cheats his way to High End contents ?
He already did in FFXI or others games without cash shop by buying characters and virtual money.

[rappa]

It's easy gils for Player B and not for Player A if he didn't sell bracelets too. Gil value will be different between A and B. B will think: "I just have to sold one bracelet for X millions." / A will think: "I have to spiritbond / craft / shard farm / whatever Y for Z amount of time."

/comfort
You can buy the bracelet too, only keep your gils under the mattress and you would buy one

[Cristal]

P2W is not you can pay to win, it is you have to pay to win.
Why would you care if some guys cheat his way to High End contents ?
He already did in FFXI or others games without cash shop by buying characters and virtual money.

And "NO PAY TO WIN" is "you don't have to pay to win (but you can)" or "you cannot pay to win (even if you wanted)"?

/comfort
You can buy the bracelet too, only keep your gils under the mattress and you would buy one

I don't care about the bracelet at all. I care about its implications on server economy (and game's future too but that's another topic...)

[XNihili]

And "NO PAY TO WIN" is "you don't have to pay to win (but you can)" or "you cannot pay to win (even if you wanted)"?

Depends if it's NO(Pay to Win) or (No Pay) to Win

[Fyce]

It's easy gils for Player B and not for Player A if he didn't sell bracelets too. Gil value will be different between A and B. B will think: "I just have to sold one bracelet for X millions." / A will think: "I have to spiritbond / craft / shard farm / whatever Y for Z amount of time."

By that statement, you assume that Player B have an infinite amount of real money and never had to work for it.
You are also assuming that Player B will be able to sell an infinite amount of these item with no limit in time.

Both of these are false.

Besides, you have absolutly nothing to say about the choice for Player A to use his/her "hard earned gils" to buy access to the Eternal Bond ceremony instead of using real money.
The value of gils for Player A is his/her own and his/her own only. Nobody here have the right to tell someone how to use the time that person spend on getting gils.

So, again, no, the global economy won't be affected at all.

[AdamFyi]

And "NO PAY TO WIN" is "you don't have to pay to win (but you can)" or "you cannot pay to win (even if you wanted)"?

That first one is by definition, pay-to-win, and a lot of people will agree. xD

[Mattiux]

So, again, no, the global economy won't be affected at all.

I agree with that, but this still is a way to pay for a boost. in that case a boost of gils that lead to a boost of gear.
Again i ask to Answer to my question:

I can deal with some optional item in cash shop. Minion,mount etc. but you HAVE TO make it untradable. If you want it just for fun and vanity why complain if they don't allow you to earn in game benefits (like gil) ?

[rappa]

I don't care about the bracelet at all. I care about its implications on server economy (and game's future too but that's another topic...)

Are you sure? Because each patch notes the mb was dead and rezz again

[Fyce]

I agree with that, but this still is a way to pay for a boost. in that case a boost of gils that lead to a boost of gear.
Again i ask to Answer to my question:

That's the point.
The fact is: global economy won't be affected at all.
The real subject is: is it okay for someone to be able to get the gils of someone else in exchange of a real money service?

That said, the answers to the real question can't be considered as facts. They'll just be mere opinions of people ok or not ok with it.

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[SUBJECTIVITY]

I'll give mine as an example:
I think that since FFXIV is not a competitive game, It's not very important if a single individual suddenly has access to something he/she wouldn't have normally. Would it be some 110HQ gear or a house or whatever gils can buy.

This game only has two competitive aspects: PvP, for which gils are worthless, and "First Time HL raid". For the latter, I'm pretty sure that the amount of gils within these hardcore gamers pocket is irrelevant.

So, in short terms, someone who suddenly has access to a lot of (-someone else-) gils, won't affect my playstyle at all. That person is just spoiling his/her own experience with the game, and I don't really care if that person is willingly doing so.
Plus, like I said, this is very much a temporary thing and the market for Eternal Bond plans will die quite rapidly.

[/SUBJECTIVITY]

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Yep, that's pretty much my own opinion. I don't really care.

But again, that's just a mere subjective opinion, and I understand that someone can be frustrated to see another player getting something expensive without much effort (if you consider that getting real money doesn't require "much effort") when they had to spend hours farming or whatever to get the same thing.
But heh, the frustration someone might have is also completly subjective.

[ChibiChan_Hyperion]

The real subject is: is it okay for someone to be able to get the gils of someone else in exchange of a real money service?

That said, the answers to the real question can't be considered as facts. They'll just be mere opinions of people ok or not ok with it.

"Our Definition of RMT: RMT is defined as the selling and buying of virtual assets for real-world money. Virtual assets can include, but is not limited to: Accounts, Characters, In-game Currency (Gil), In-game Service, In-game item." - from the Square-Enix support site

Party Finder entry: "WTS Gold/Plat bracelets for 20m"
Simplified: "WTS $10/$20 bracelets for 20m"

I'm sorry, but it looks like all the information needed is there. Is this really still able to be considered opinion at this point?