So what if people sell platinum and gold plans for gil?

[Cid_Grim]

People were angry that the weddings were hidden behind a pay wall. They wanted a way to obtain it in the game with gil.

People figure out they can obtain the wedding in the game with gil only, and are angry about it.

Makes perfect sense.

[Ilitsa]

People were angry that the weddings were hidden behind a pay wall. They wanted a way to obtain it in the game with gil.

People figure out they can obtain the wedding in the game with gil only, and are angry about it.

Makes perfect sense.

So much truth here

Love the fact that these white knights defending the cash shop are now going from "OMG IT WON'T BE PAY TO WIN" to "Pay to win is good guys, RMT is good!".

Show me ONE post that ANYONE has said "RMT is good". I'm calling bs right here.

[Magis]

So much truth here



Show me ONE post that ANYONE has said "RMT is good". I'm calling bs right here.

This thread here we are literally posting in? Read OPs posts, it's his/her justification that "well, third party RMT do it, so why not SE to cash in money?"

People buy in game currency in this game anyway. Why do you think RMT people still spam to this day? It's because they're still making a profit out of it due to the people that continuously buy gil. At least this way SE can pocket the cash themselves instead of it going to a third party.

[Aegis]

People were angry that the weddings were hidden behind a pay wall. They wanted a way to obtain it in the game with gil.

People figure out they can obtain the wedding in the game with gil only, and are angry about it.

Makes perfect sense.

They could have made it cheap/free. They did with FFXI. Hell, in FFXI you could even choose any location in the game to have your wedding. But of course, gamers have settled for a poorer service at more expensive prices since then.

[Magis]

They could have made it cheap/free. They did with FFXI. Hell, in FFXI you could even choose any location in the game to have your wedding. But of course, gamers have settled for a poorer service at more expensive prices since then.

Heck, they even had a GM act as the priest! FOR FREE! A paid SE employee, helping in the organized wedding events. This was removed later because it was causing the reservation times to take long. Except wait... it wasn't free, it was included with our sub because THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR.

Yet, now a in game cutscene and quest, with some virtual items warrants $40 and people are dumb enough to not only buy it, but defend SE religiously like they are some poor, down on their luck, friend.

I bet British Petroleum, Comcast, and SNC would kill for such blind devotion to corporations.

[Hyunckel]

Yet, now a in game cutscene and quest, with some virtual items warrants $40 and people are dumb enough to not only buy it, but defend SE religiously like they are some poor, down on their luck, friend.

I bet British Petroleum, Comcast, and SNC would kill for such blind devotion to corporations.

That's how video games companies get away with those shady methods. Most players are too dumb to see it.
That's why we can't have nice things

[Magis]

That's how video games companies get away with those shady methods. Most players are too dumb to see it.
That's why we can't have nice things

Yeah like this poster below:

Ok let me break it down for you since you have penchant for misunderstanding. First I never said RMT is why the cash shop exists. The cash shop exists so SE can make extra profits. I said that one of reasons they may have made eternal bonding bracelets tradable over being bought directly through gil is because SE gets a cut this way. Maybe their primary intentions were noble and they wanted to make a way for one person to pay for couple depending on their monetary situations. However I find it hard to believe that SE would not have the foresight to believe some people would not try selling this bracelets for gil. The cash shop would exist regardless of eternal bonding or RMT activity. When I mean I don't care about the cash shop, it means that I've seen this trend happen a lot in video games that I've come expect such things and I have gone past being bitter about it. DLC's and cash shop are just the new business model for video game companies to increase profits. Once implemented they pretty much never get removed so its pretty much like crying over spilt milk. At this point I've just come to accept it for it was and I have stopped lamenting about the good old days when you paid for something you get all of it even the optional material. Now its pretty much if I see something I like in the cash shop, I'll buy it. If I don't like it enough then I won't buy it. My original intent of this post was simply stating that at least SE is choosing the lesser of evils and allowing the vanity and mounts to be attainable for everyone despite how much money they could pay for additional content. They could have just locked the mounts and vanity directly behind a paywall by making it untradeable just as easily.

Yes you DID:

Every MMO is pay to thanks to RMT business. If you have money there will always be a way for you to get ahead in mmo which is similar to real life as well. You can do the same here indirectly by selling of the bracelet for gil. Also its not like this avenue for making gil will last forever. Eventually the demand will be so less and less people will be willing to buy bracelets. As I've stated before, the way they have it now works for everyone since everyone has access to the eternal bond vanity and mount either through gil or cash.

and if that somehow wasn't what you meant, then maybe you should learn to articulate your views a bit better.

Cool, great that we should all be content that SE will stoop to the level of hated companies like EA and Activision. I don't give two shits about what business model terrible companies are screwing their customers over with, and that doesn't excuse SE doing it either. What kind of excuse is that even? Oh Comcast throttles their internet and overcharges their customers, so it's ok for the other ISPs to do it. BTW, "other companies do it" is a pretty shitty justification because guess what happened to those MMOs that did that? Oh that's right, they crash, died, and joined the other countless MMOs in the F2P graveyard. The two big ones that didn't die (EVE and WoW)? They have been surviving for the last 10 years without this kind of stuff, and have a solid player base that grew out of good gameplay and MMO design. They could afford to implement that stuff because they already had a dedicated fan base who were already invested in the game. Speaking of investment in a game (off topic a bit) I find it funny that because of XIV's habit of making gear worthless every patch, very short level grinds, and easy to clear content (even after a while), there is very little to actually invest into the game besides relic and money. At least SE made it easy to quit so thanks I guess.

And let us not forget, this isn't about cash shops per se. It's about cash shops and pay 2 win... IN A SUBSCRIPTION BASED GAME. You can't even enjoy the items you bought if you unsub, at least with F2P, you can come back and see those items any time you want.

[Thyranne]

Oh that's right, they crash, died, and joined the other countless MMOs in the F2P graveyard. The two big ones that didn't die (EVE and WoW)? They have been surviving for the last 10 years without this kind of stuff, and have a solid player base that grew out of good gameplay and MMO design. They could afford to implement that stuff because they already had a dedicated fan base who were already invested in the game.

WoW does have a cash shop and it's a lot worse than what we have. In WoW you can buy instant level 90 and you could buy a pet that could be sold for gold.

[Erudain]

WoW does have a cash shop and it's a lot worse than what we have. In WoW you can buy instant level 90 and you could buy a pet that could be sold for gold.

Didn't WoW CS open in 2013?....that like 8 years after game launch....by that time they already had tons of dedicated fans who had already spent thousand hours in the game.
This game is one year old. Almost every other P2P that started double-dipping players with a CS that fast, failed miserably at it and enraged its customers (SWTOR, Aion, Tera, Rift, etc)

[Magis]

WoW does have a cash shop and it's a lot worse than what we have. In WoW you can buy instant level 90 and you could buy a pet that could be sold for gold.

Didn't say they didn't, I said they could afford to do something like that and survived any fallout from doing so because they had 13+mil players from just general good MMO design. Heck, WoW wasn't even unscathed from implementing that (well, and a butt load of bad decisions), seeing as their sub rate has plummeted over the last 4-5 years.

Already stated that the cash shop isn't around for RMT in particular. When I said every MMO is already pay to win thanks to RMT. I meant that you can use real money to buy in game currency using the third party RMT. Also pay to win is subjective since one persons idea of pay to win is different from someone else's. Also if you don't like how SE is using the cash shop you don't have to play it. Another thing is that EA and Activision aren't the only companies that utilize dlc or buying additional content. Here is a small list of companies that utilize dlc or additional content for their games: Capcom, Namco, Ubisoft, Sega, Bungi, Nintendo, Bioware, Atlas, I could keep going but I'm going to stop there. Notice the amount of Japanese companies I mentioned in that list?

So add them to the list, I was just giving examples.

If you hate it that much just don't play, I don't really mind it and I like the game enough that it isn't a game breaker for me. You're probably better off finding F2P mmo to play since subscription based mmos are heading down the cash shop avenue.

Well, at this point the only thing keeping me subbed is my FC so I may end up doing that. The game I joined in Beta V2 (and it seems before you joined) was way different than what I am playing now. I'd rather see this game succeed and live as long as FFXI or WoW did, but it seems that won't be the case. Too bad cause I love Final Fantasy, I love the lore, and I love the aesthetic. Just a note though, if you keep saying "just don't play", soon you will turn into 1.0 or other MMOs where there isn't anyone left to say that to. I am surprised that people would rather have players jump ship than improve the game.