Dragoon: top dps and easiest melee class by far ?

[Clydey]

Over the course of a 10+ minute fight, not hitting those positionals will not put you at 99% of your DPS potential. Even while hitting those positionals, you will not always hit as high as 99%.

You are quoting numbers as though extensive testing has been done. Suggesting that the disparity is that small for DRG and that large for MNK is baseless.

[Whiston]

This just in - DRG buffs are quite reasonable and people are blowing this way out of proportion.

After hours of testing pre patch and post patch, using a minimum of ten runs on multiple scenarios and discarding the high and low values, averaging the 8 median values, dragoon got a 4.5% dps buff.

Monk is definitely safe at the top of the dps department.

[kyrios91]

DRGs have been shit for the last 8 months and now they finally brought to how they're supposed to be, people whine?! Karma is a bitch - that's why don't LOLDRG or laugh or reject DRGs because they can't do jack shit. Been in a lot of parties when I died to something minor and people say "LOLDRG" but those people who said so kept dying in mechanics that matter and I'm almost always the last person to survive in a wipe or have aggro when the tank(s) die. I play my heart out to prove that DRGs can do it despite the bad hand that we're dealt with. Now look who's gonna be appearing in most raid parties now - yes, the guy / girl with the big ass spear ready to burst sakuras out from your butt!

[ManaKing]

Buffs are great. People don't seem to realize we bring nothing but DMG.

Take Dragon Kick and Mantra away from Monk. What happens? They still do more DPS than DRG.

No seriously, think about it. If my utility is DMG and you do better DPS than me than how can you complain? We do better Burst and help out BRDs.....which YOU will need if you don't have a NIN.

Sorry DRG is relevant, just like every other job.

[Casper]

Over the course of a 10+ minute fight, not hitting those positionals will not put you at 99% of your DPS potential. Even while hitting those positionals, you will not always hit as high as 99%.

You are quoting numbers as though extensive testing has been done. Suggesting that the disparity is that small for DRG and that large for MNK is baseless.

Yes, it will. It definitely will. Stay on the flank 100% of the time and you will do 99% of the dps you would do if you hit correctly all your positionnal attacks. That is a fact demonstrated by math, not an opinion.

[Riepah]

Yes, it will. It definitely will. Stay on the flank 100% of the time and you will do 99% of the dps you would do if you hit correctly all your positionnal attacks. That is a fact demonstrated by math, not an opinion.

Actually, all positionals for DRG are flank. There's nothing requiring the rear anymore. So if you're at the flank, you are hitting all your positionals correctly. So you'll get 100%, not 99%.

[Leonus]

For christ sake, you really see no difference between a job that outputs 99% of its max output when played while ignoring all positionnal, and another that outputs 75% in the same situation ?

When it matters, people make mistakes, because shit happens. In that situation drg will just lose MUCH less than nin or mnk will. This is NOT balanced. You can not balance everything assuming no one makes any mistake and call it a day. I'm glad for the drg buff for their ceiling. But making their floor at 99% of the ceiling is not good balance, period.

If you truly think they can mess up the entire fight and maintain 99% of their dps... you are wrong.

You sound like people arguing foe nin nerfs prior to this patch right now. Saying nin was too easy and even with messing up, because of no positionals they could do 99% of their dps.

Also to the poster above, the tool tip is wrong on one of the descriptions. You still need to go to the rear.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Actually, all positionals for DRG are flank. There's nothing requiring the rear anymore. So if you're at the flank, you are hitting all your positionals correctly. So you'll get 100%, not 99%.

CT comboes from rear. Ingame tooltip is bugged.

[Elkya95]

Actually, all positionals for DRG are flank. There's nothing requiring the rear anymore. So if you're at the flank, you are hitting all your positionals correctly. So you'll get 100%, not 99%.

No Chaos thrust is behind. English tooltip error strikes again.

[Whiston]

Yes, it will. It definitely will. Stay on the flank 100% of the time and you will do 99% of the dps you would do if you hit correctly all your positionnal attacks. That is a fact demonstrated by math, not an opinion.

This is quite true also.

I spent the last 2 hours on a dummy with the new buffs.
The absolute maximum difference in damage I saw from a flank only rotation was 8 dps.
The minimum difference was actually an increase of 1 dps over 4 minutes due to RNG crits.
I averaged it to be about a 4 dps loss. Completely unsubstantial. In a fight, this would only be exacerbated by the fact you don't need to move to rear in any situation.

The difference as a percentage should actually be very close to 1% (I had 1.2%, only used about ten rotations average)

Remember that video uploaded in 2.0 of that monk doing 300 dps flank only rotation?
Drg now gets a 500 dps flank only rotation.

Hilariously enough also, using exclusively a front only rotation, you only lose less than 10 dps from a flank only rotation.
So assuming you are horrible enough to miss absolutely every positional, or you think you're a tank, you can still achieve fairly decent numbers.

Of course the good dragoons are going to hit their positionals regardless, as every good player on any class should, but the fact of the matter is, you can flank the hell out of any encounter, and see nearly no noticeable difference.

Test it out yourselves.
The encounter numbers will start rolling in shortly and you'll see the superiority of flank drg rotations.

All that said, I think it's fair. DRG has been crapped on for quite a while. I was main class DRG throughout all of 2.2/2.3 and when final coil hit, I swapped to WAR again and another party member swapped out to monk.
The DPS increases to DRG are not insanely over the top. They didn't get an additional 20 potency on every single skill.
They significantly increased survivability and enabled them to hit a decent rotation regardless of position, as opposed to gimping them entirely when a mob turned on them.

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