Dragoon: top dps and easiest melee class by far ?

[Clydey]

Over the course of a 10+ minute fight, not hitting those positionals will not put you at 99% of your DPS potential. Even while hitting those positionals, you will not always hit as high as 99%.

You are quoting numbers as though extensive testing has been done. Suggesting that the disparity is that small for DRG and that large for MNK is baseless.

[Casper]

Over the course of a 10+ minute fight, not hitting those positionals will not put you at 99% of your DPS potential. Even while hitting those positionals, you will not always hit as high as 99%.

You are quoting numbers as though extensive testing has been done. Suggesting that the disparity is that small for DRG and that large for MNK is baseless.

Yes, it will. It definitely will. Stay on the flank 100% of the time and you will do 99% of the dps you would do if you hit correctly all your positionnal attacks. That is a fact demonstrated by math, not an opinion.

[Riepah]

Yes, it will. It definitely will. Stay on the flank 100% of the time and you will do 99% of the dps you would do if you hit correctly all your positionnal attacks. That is a fact demonstrated by math, not an opinion.

Actually, all positionals for DRG are flank. There's nothing requiring the rear anymore. So if you're at the flank, you are hitting all your positionals correctly. So you'll get 100%, not 99%.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Actually, all positionals for DRG are flank. There's nothing requiring the rear anymore. So if you're at the flank, you are hitting all your positionals correctly. So you'll get 100%, not 99%.

CT comboes from rear. Ingame tooltip is bugged.

[Elkya95]

Actually, all positionals for DRG are flank. There's nothing requiring the rear anymore. So if you're at the flank, you are hitting all your positionals correctly. So you'll get 100%, not 99%.

No Chaos thrust is behind. English tooltip error strikes again.

[Whiston]

Yes, it will. It definitely will. Stay on the flank 100% of the time and you will do 99% of the dps you would do if you hit correctly all your positionnal attacks. That is a fact demonstrated by math, not an opinion.

This is quite true also.

I spent the last 2 hours on a dummy with the new buffs.
The absolute maximum difference in damage I saw from a flank only rotation was 8 dps.
The minimum difference was actually an increase of 1 dps over 4 minutes due to RNG crits.
I averaged it to be about a 4 dps loss. Completely unsubstantial. In a fight, this would only be exacerbated by the fact you don't need to move to rear in any situation.

The difference as a percentage should actually be very close to 1% (I had 1.2%, only used about ten rotations average)

Remember that video uploaded in 2.0 of that monk doing 300 dps flank only rotation?
Drg now gets a 500 dps flank only rotation.

Hilariously enough also, using exclusively a front only rotation, you only lose less than 10 dps from a flank only rotation.
So assuming you are horrible enough to miss absolutely every positional, or you think you're a tank, you can still achieve fairly decent numbers.

Of course the good dragoons are going to hit their positionals regardless, as every good player on any class should, but the fact of the matter is, you can flank the hell out of any encounter, and see nearly no noticeable difference.

Test it out yourselves.
The encounter numbers will start rolling in shortly and you'll see the superiority of flank drg rotations.

All that said, I think it's fair. DRG has been crapped on for quite a while. I was main class DRG throughout all of 2.2/2.3 and when final coil hit, I swapped to WAR again and another party member swapped out to monk.
The DPS increases to DRG are not insanely over the top. They didn't get an additional 20 potency on every single skill.
They significantly increased survivability and enabled them to hit a decent rotation regardless of position, as opposed to gimping them entirely when a mob turned on them.

(edited for more info)

[Casper]

This is quite true also.

I spent the last 2 hours on a dummy with the new buffs.
The absolute maximum difference in damage I saw from a flank only rotation was 8 dps.
The minimum difference was actually an increase of 1 dps over 4 minutes due to RNG crits.
I averaged it to be about a 4 dps loss. Completely unsubstantial. In a fight, this would only be exacerbated by the fact you don't need to move to rear in any situation.

Remember that video uploaded in 2.0 of that monk doing 300 dps flank only rotation?
Drg now gets a 500 dps flank only rotation.

THANK you, kind sir. So glad to see some dragoons staying reasonnable in this debate.

And yeah, the difference between caring about positionnals and not caring is within the normal deviation on a run due to crit and RNG. AKA: no one will notice if you do completely random positionnals.

Yes, IF you want to play optimally, you still have to hit them. But if you don't hit the positionnals, then the difference will be less than changing your body piece from i110 to i120.

For a while I thought you were butthurt about drg actually being competitive now, and demanding that the job still be punished for missing positionals in an rng mechanics environment. Silly me.

Damn, i wonder how those mnks do being punished by 6 positionals in a "rng mechanics environment". I'm sure they would be delighted to have only 2 like dragoons.

At least we can agree that you are indeed silly.

[ghgh4545]

Don't forget that the 'abacus' that you are using must be updated for the new dot potencies, so your dps recorded isn't the full amount.

As for my change, i think i've went from 485~ sustained to about 510-515~. That is quite good considering that they don't do much for raid. Still, MNK is ahead and the difference between ninja isn't that severe either.

[Avalios]

Why are so many people saying this is over the top?

Monks will still do more damage single target. Drgs will do more damage AOE like always.
And both monks and ninjas still have far far better utility.

Sounds balanced to me.